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From: manes@vger.nsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Re: Sniffle, Sniffle no memory was (FAUG demo of Powermonger by E.A.)
Message-ID: <373.27674bd6@vger.nsu.edu>
Date: 13 Dec 90 13:37:26 GMT
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In article <9436@mirsa.inria.fr>, buffa@kish.inria.fr (Michel Buffa) writes:
> In article <361.276631c6@vger.nsu.edu>, manes@vger.nsu.edu writes:
>> In article <9424@mirsa.inria.fr>, buffa@kish.inria.fr (Michel Buffa) writes:
>> > In article <22110@well.sf.ca.us>, farren@well.sf.ca.us (Mike Farren) writes:
>> >> colas@avahi.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:
>
> [Lots of good and important flaming that is sure to change the world
>  deleted]

Ok,

I will try one more time Michel.

Would you agree that:
  1.  If it is not necessary, then the Amiga OS should not be tossed?
  2.  Game manufacturers should cater to the biggest audience possible?

Unfortunately you seem to be a product from the "me" generation.  If
it doesn't affect me then it surely doesn't matter.  Unlike you, I bought
my Amiga to do work and on the side play games.  Yes, I *am* a power
Amiga user, certainly no crime in that.

When I spend a great deal of money on a system that has some of the 
greatest features of any microcomputer, it is unbelievable to me that
a game manufacturer would toss the best features so that they can 
do their "specail programming" techniques, without exhausting 
the possiblities under the given programming environment.  

I will grant that there _are_ situations where the graphics and game
play that can be achieved by going directly to hardware is greater than
what you can get using the standard Amiga operating system.  HOWEVER,
in my opinion, MOST games that I have seen certainly have not pushed
the Amiga to its limit.  Most of the time it appears that the programmers
opted to NOT learn the methods for good high speed programming under
AmigaDOS, but went for their own custom (easier?) method.  Why?
Mostly for copy protection reasons, with the excuse that they are 
making the most of the hardware.

As far as the Amiga 500 is concerned; I think it is a great machine
and certainly capable of wonderful things.  You need to have another 
look under the hood and realize that there is a reason for the 
rabidness of the Amiga community.  You go ahead and play on your
all-to-expensive SPARC station, but when the world passes you by
don't cry, don't even sniffle.

In 8 short years we have seen computer technology jump from trivial
to quite powerful.  Wonder what will happen in the next two years?

If programmers adhered to certain standards all of the community
prospers not just the few who don't give a damn about anyone but
themselves.  

I don't have a Amiga 500 and I don't just have 512k.  I refuse to
purchase a piece of software that hoses my operating system unless
it is something very very significant.  Like Toaster and yes, 
Powermunger.

Now clear the tears from your eyes.  It really is ok.  You can
still play games on your A500.  I promise not to take it away 
from you.  After all, we need to have someone to flame besides
MB.

> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Michel Buffa:       Projet Robotvis, INRIA, France
                                              ^^^^^^
Isn't this the country that would not let us fly our bombers over their
skies when we wanted to give a big box of chocolates to Kadaffi?

> 
>     Internet:       buffa@sardaigne.inria.fr
> Surface Mail:       Michel BUFFA, INRIA - Sophia Antipolis, 
>                     2004, route des Lucioles, 06565 Valbonne Cedex -- FRANCE
>  Voice phone:       (33) 93.65.78.39, Fax: (33) 93 65 77 65
> ------------------------------------------

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