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From: wjw@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Not only HP makes a mess !
Keywords: Hp-bashing, SUN.
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Date: 13 Dec 90 16:36:17 GMT
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We've been complaining a lot about HP <=> Apollo lately. Not that I think
that we're overdoing it, but here's a story which I heard from a friend.

My friend's lab has bought 4 SUN-386i systems about 8 months ago. We all know
that SUN in pushing SPARC like HP is pushing 9000/400's. But since their
stations are relatively new, they are not really into upgrading.

One of the projects he is working on requires the use of C++. And this is 
something which is/was made by SUN, and they still do that for some of their
other systems. Serious inquirements at the SUN address made clear that the
386i-line is considered obsolete, and no further development was done in 
this area. This would even hold for things like new OS's and the likes.
So his brand new machine were already outdated before they were shipped.

His complaints at the address of SUN resulted in an update offer which was
very good(joke :{): 
	Get SPARCS and return the 386i's. 
	The discount for a returned 386i would be  around 500$. :-)
(The machines are only ~8 months old, and the machine is only on the market 
for about 2 years)

If we set this off against HP's attitude then HP doesn't look so bad after all.
At least we don't get shafted this bad if we have old products. And they try
to push new products, they make it sound reasonable.

**** NOTE **** 
	I didn't say that I'm happy with everything that is going on, but
	hearing the 'SUN' story makes we feel less bad.

Willem Jan Withagen.

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