Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!pacbell.com!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: paj@gec-mrc.co.uk (paj) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Autorotation of Helicopters (was ... AV-8B Harrier) Message-ID: <1990Dec13.034019.20161@cbnews.att.com> Date: 13 Dec 90 03:40:19 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 41 Approved: military@att.att.com From: paj I have been following this discussion and am somewhat puzzled. First, a note on my expertise: I fly a hang-glider. I have never even sat in a helicopter. Gliders fly by descending such that (for constant speed) their drag:weight ratio equals the glide slope. I was under the impression that helicopter blades are aerofoils and hence capable of gliding (rather than being simple flats which would be far less efficient). Hence the principle of autorotation is to lower the collective such that the "glide angle" of the blades is equal to the ratio of drag:weight where drag includes engine and pitch mechanism and weight includes the aircraft itself. Hence the helicopter will descend slowly. In a conventional aircraft (glider or powered), one lands by flying close to the ground and then leveling out (with power right down) to allow the aircraft to slow down until it stalled onto the ground. This ensures that the landing is at the absolute minimum speed (amongst other things). I expect that in a helicopter stalling the blades is not necessary but the inertia would be useful for decreasing vertical speed in the last seconds. I would have thought that the big thing to avoid when autorotating a helicopter is stalling the blades. This would cause the aircraft to loose lift until the rotor can be unstalled. This would have to be done by lowering the collective as far as possible and praying. There is a kind of aircraft known as an "autogyro". It consists of a helicopter rotor with no drive and a conventional aircraft propellor for thrust. The rotor is driven entirely by autorotation. A gentleman named Frank Wallis (no relation to Barnes) has been pushing these for military use with little success for some years, and was also the builder and stunt pilot of "Little Nellie" on one of the Bond films (Thunderball I think). Have I completely misunderstood how helicopters fly or am I about right? Paul.