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From: feit@acsu.buffalo.EDU (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: pornography
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Date: 10 Dec 90 16:27:09 GMT
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In article <93782@aerospace.AERO.ORG> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:

>I'm sorry to disappoint you but
>S&M is a standard equipment on some models.  Period.

By "standard" do you mean inherent, inborn, etc. ? (From your past
writings I assume this is what you mean. My next questions assume this
premise, my apologies if I am working under the wrong assumption).

I find it interesting that Hillel always asks for proof for everything
anyone has said claiming this is false, but has never offered any for
his claim. So let me turn the tables:

Hillel, how do you KNOW that S&M is "standard"?  And please offer
something substantial so we don't get into the argument where you say
"person X is into S&M but was never exposed to ANY hurts/ abuses as a
child" and *I* respond "Yes, but how do you KNOW that person X hasn't
forgotten, since many people forget deep traumas?"  etc...

And lastly, why are you so committed to your position ?  What do you
mean "period"? That you won't even consider the possibility that
humans learn their sexuality?

Since you might ask ME the same question, I suppose *I* think that
there are no human universals as far as being frozen into rigid
behavior patterns.  I DO think there are universals such as people eat
and poop, people ARE sexual...just not that HOW we do it is decided
upon conception, in our genes somewhere...


Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
                Absence makes the heart grow fonder
                so I never want to see you again - X