Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark T. Sandrock) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: "Grail Message" (was Re: Creation) Message-ID: Date: 13 Dec 90 09:55:23 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 61 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In soc.religion.christian you write: >You have frequently quoted John 16:12-13 about the "many things" Jesus >wanted to say, but couldn't yet. Given that, which of the different >"many things" people will present to us, as being from God, should >we accept? Was Jesus referring to the writings of Mohammed, Nostradamus, >Joseph Smith, Mr. Russell (the person who started the JW's, sorry I can't >remember his first name), Baha-ullah, Mary Baker Eddy, or Sun-Myung Moon? >Was he thinking perhaps of future letters of Paul, Peter, John, and James? >Was he thinking of new ideas that people _within_ the "Christian tradition" >would develop, people such as Augustine, Aquinas, and Luther? Or was it >all a red herring, except for that which agrees with the Grail Message? >(+) It is possible for a human being to learn to know what is true and what is not true in the most objective sense of the word. This ability does not fall into one's lap, however, but must be diligently sought for and developed. The upshot is that we *each* individually must decide which of these things contain truth and which perhaps do not, and to what degree. The implication of "seek and ye shall find" is that without seeking there is no finding. If a person stops seeking, he or she stops finding. There is a lawfulness here. >This is the question you haven't really answered yet, as far as I can see. >Why should we consider the Grail Message to be what Jesus was referring to >in John 16:12-13, and not something else? (If you say, "because it's >true and the others aren't," you haven't answered the question but merely >restated it.) Perhaps if you think about the question, phrased in this >manner, you will understand what I, and the others who have been responding >to your posts, am trying to get across to you. There is a very significant >something else that you are turning your back on, something which you >seem to think is just our interpretation but which we believe, for good >reason, to be the truth that God wants all of us to discover. Thank you for your "bluntness". I felt the urge to bring the Grail Message to peoples' attention so that they might have the opportunity to examine it for themselves. This having been done, I have no wish to continue to engage in circular debates with anyone for any reason. There is one more response I have prepared on the topic of reincarnation, and after that I shall hopefully leave those whom I may have unintentionally offended to their "peace", with my humble and sincere apologies for having disturbed them! My position is and always has been: that I am personally convinced of the high value of what the Grail Message offers mankind, and that those *who seriously seek for objective answers to all spiritual questions* might do well to examine the Grail Message for themselves! And please do NOT take my word for it: check it out yourself if you really want to know! >Grace and peace, >Charles Ferenbaugh Regards, Mark Sandrock -- BITNET: sandrock@uiucscs Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Internet: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu Chemical Sciences Computing Services Voice: 217-244-0561 505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801