Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!mit-eddie!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Whether the female sex is an impediment to receiving Orders? Thomism Message-ID: Date: 14 Dec 90 08:33:15 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 51 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu This isn't about female ordination, it's about feminism - >Excerpts from netnews.soc.religion.christian: 11-Dec-90 Re: Whether the female sex .. jhpb@garage.att.com (2204) > > >Consider the beaches, where it might be more proper to talk about what is > >not worn, than what is. Or the pornographic nature of major department > >store catalogs. Or the ongoing slaughter of children by their own > >mothers. These things say a lot about the image of women that our > >society is pushing. Why is is proper for men to wear very little clothing, but women must keep themselves covered up? The problem is that standards for men and women are different, and in many cases, unfair. The big flaw of the feminist revolution is that now, women are adopting some of the stupid values and ignorant practices that men have enjoyed for so long. >Excerpts from netnews.soc.religion.christian: 11-Dec-90 Re: Whether the female sex .. jhpb@garage.att.com (2204) > > >In the words of Dr. Alice von > >Hildebrand, feminism has its origin in an inferiority complex. Some > >women cannot stand being women, they want to be men, because they think > >that women are inferior. Women judge themselves by the standards that men have set, and they find that by _male_ standards, women are *expected* to be inferior. That is the source of feminism. The problem seems to be caused by 2 things: a) that standards for females _require_ them to be inferior, by male standards b) little respect for womanhood among males How many men *actually* RESPECT woman for being feminine? Or is feminimity merely a CONVENIENCE for men? How can men ask women to respect feminimity when we ourselves do not respect feminimity? To dismiss feminism as merely a "female inferiority complex" is extremely arrogant. It avoids entirely the question "What has male culture done to make women want feminism?". It places the onus of change & correction entirely upon women, without regard to male roles in fixing the problem. FYI - I don't consider myself a feminist but I am aware of feminist arguments. Many of them are sort of loonie, but some of them are very accurate and justified. Stephen Chan