Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!sundc!seismo!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: bgsuvax!kutz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth J. Kutz) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Lucifer\ Message-ID: Date: 14 Dec 90 09:14:10 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 32 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , dragon!cms@gatech.edu writes: > In article , dcyprich@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Dusan J. Cyprich) writes: > > Hi Joel. Read Isaiah 14:12-15. It talks about how Satan wanted to be > > like God (in His place) and how Lucifer is cast out of Heaven. It should > > give you a start ... > > > > God bless > > djc > > > > [huh? Is 14:12-15 is part of a "taunt against the king of Babylon" > > (14:4). The reference to him as the Day Star, Son of the Dawn looks > > to me like an ironical comment on his pride, since the rest of the > > passage is more appropriate to a king than Satan. --clh] If you apply this hermeunitical principal to Is 14, why don't you apply it to Ps 22 or Is 53? The answer to that (if I may speak for you :-) lies in the fact that the NT verifies (as well as some Jewish tradition) that Ps 22 and Is 53 have dual applicability. I believe Jesus' statement that he saw Satan fall from heaven provides the NT verifcation we need to Is 14. Isa 14:12-14 uses words which go beyond a complete human fulfillment. The very same thing is true for Is 53:5,6,10,11,12. I believe the context, imagery, Jesus' words, and interpretational consistency make a strong case that Isa 14 is referring to Satan. -- Kenneth J. Kutz Internet kutz@andy.bgsu.edu Systems Programmer BITNET KUTZ@ANDY University Computer Services UUCP ...!osu-cis!bgsuvax!kutz Bowling Green State Univ. US Mail 238 Math Science, BG OH 43403