Xref: utzoo comp.ai:8236 sci.bio:4176 sci.psychology:3892 alt.cyberpunk:5365 Path: utzoo!mnetor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!ucsd!ames!haven!cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!schiebel From: schiebel@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Darrell Schiebel) Newsgroups: comp.ai,sci.bio,sci.psychology,alt.cyberpunk Subject: Re: The Bandwidth of the Brain Message-ID: <1146@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> Date: 18 Dec 90 18:13:31 GMT References: <37034@cup.portal.com> Followup-To: comp.ai Organization: WVU Statistics and Computer Science Lines: 37 In article <37034@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: <...interesting behaviorial studies deleted...> > I think the reason people believe the brain has enormous computational bandwidth > is that people see bundles of nerve fibers, and assume they are like wires > in a computer or a communications network. They falsely assume that each fiber > is an independent channel, and that the total channel capacity is the product > of multiplying the capacity of an individual fiber by the number of fibers. > This is clearly not true -- you can't have all the fibers in your spinal cord > jumping simultaneously. Likewise, when I view a bit-mapped graphics display > with my retinas, I cannot simultaneously perceive all the dots on the screen > and I certainly can't remember or interpret them if they are changing 15 times > a second. Presented with a single frame of random dots, I might be able to > memorize some small 10 x 10 grid subset of the image if given enough time > to memorize them (like an hour). Although you might not be able to memorize (or "preceive") all of the pixels on a screen, I would bet most people could RECOGNIZE a huge variety of images displayed on the screen, including images President Bush's face each with different expression in different lighting with combinations of hats, sun glasses, etc. My point is that this is the sort of task that humans excel at, and it involves processing huge amounts of information quickly, and most likely involves the interactions of many neurons which are not "processing" the "same" information, i.e. interactions in the lateral geniculate nucleus (LGN), striate cortex, prestriate cortex, and the inferior temporal lobe. As for the communication studies, perhaps the lack of bandwidth is not due to inefficiencies in the processing mechanisms, but rather inefficencies in the communication medium. Darrell Schiebel Computer Science West Virginia University (schiebel@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu)