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From: woods@eci386.uucp (Greg A. Woods)
Subject: empty mailbox deletion and /bin/mail forwarding bug (was: non-superuser chown(2)s considered harmful)
Message-ID: <1990Dec20.182455.17753@eci386.uucp>
Followup-To: comp.bugs.sys5
Keywords: chown, mail
Reply-To: woods@eci386.UUCP (Greg A. Woods)
Organization: Elegant Communications, Inc.
References: <1990Dec11.005644.20688@cbnewsk.att.com> <1990Dec11.203632.7402@chinet.chi.il.us> <1990Dec14.171022.4992@eci386.uucp> <1990Dec16.221025.24838@chinet.chi.il.us>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 18:24:55 GMT

In article <1990Dec16.221025.24838@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1990Dec14.171022.4992@eci386.uucp> woods@eci386.UUCP (Greg A. Woods) writes:
> >$ ls -l /usr/mail/root
> >-rw-rw----   1 root     mail       27820 Dec 12 05:18 /usr/mail/root
> >$ MAIL=/usr/mail/root LOGNAME=root /bin/binmail -F woods
> >binmail: Invalid permissions
> >binmail: Cannot install/remove forwarding without empty mailfile
> 
> >Hmm... Yup, it seems secure to me!  Doesn't mean non-superuser chown
> >is OK, but IMHO it *is* not only OK, but useful!
> 
> Oops, when I said empty file I meant no file (my mail reader always deletes
> the file when it is empty).

OOPS!  You're right!  It does let me steal a user's (potential) mail!

> Does your mail reader always leave a 0 length file in /usr/mail when you
> delete all the messages?  Does everyone on the system use the same reader
> (or do they all do this)?  Is there ever a time when a user does not
> have a file in /usr/mail (say before they have ever received any mail)?

I do prefer to have the 0 byte file in /usr/mail.  Certainly mailx and
mush can be told to leave it there (most of the time, though mush will
delete it if you use '-u user' or '-f mailfile').  I'm not sure about
/bin/mail itself, though I suspect it always deletes empty mailboxes.
I don't care to try it, and I'm reasonably sure nobody here still uses
it to read mail.

Yes, the file is only created when a user first receives mail, though
I'll now make it a practice to create an empty file for new users, and
I've added an empty file for each system id.

> IMHO it would be just as useful if it didn't chown the forwarding file
> but left it owned by the uid that actually gave the command.

That might be a partial hack to at least show the culprit, but the
correct one is to check if you are the right person before blindly
doing such a drastic thing as forwarding.  Seems to me that it's a
simple bug that needs fixing, and it certainly doesn't have anything
to do with non-root chown(2)'s being harmful!

Follow-up's directed to comp.bugs.sys5.
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							Greg A. Woods
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