Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Don't Pay For Slamming Message-ID: <15459@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 17 Dec 90 12:09:12 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: Small Business Systems, Inc., Esmond, RI 02917 Lines: 41 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 885, Message 8 of 10 (Moderator says unjust enrichment if you fail to pay what you anticipated paying for the calls.) I'm not sure I'd agree entirely with this. I'd much rather agree with Ed's statement of not paying for calls at all, but... For example, if I have AT&Ts ROA program, and am paying $8.50/hr., then MCI slams me, and I place two hours of calls at their rates (say it comes out to $9.00/hr,) I believe that the individual should only have to pay the cost that s/he would have incurred under their existing carrier. The difference, if any, should be eaten by the slamming company. In my example, MCI would only get $8.50/hr from me, and they would have to eat the difference (one dollar). Michael P. Deignan, President -- Small Business Systems, Inc. Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com -- Box 17220, Esmond, RI 02917 UUCP: ...uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 XENIX Archives: login: xxcp, password: xenix Index: ~/SOFTLIST [Moderator's Note: This has been the point I've been trying to make all along. You cannot profit from the mistakes and/or crimes of someone else. As in your hospital example, if the switch was in error and accidental, then you still owe for services rendered if you benefitted from them. If the switch was done fraudulently, then you need to deal with the fraud as a separate issue. Of course every carrier and every telco is going to claim it was a clerical error, and I have no reason to doubt the telcos, since what does it profit them either way? What ahout those folks who call 700-555-4141 and know for a fact that their service was changed, so they run up a big bill on purpose and then later claim the switch was unauthorized? When you find out about a fraud or some other crime committed or in progress, you have some obligation to stop it or notify others who can stop it, but you cannot go along for a free ride. Isn't the real solution and the ethical way to pay *what you expected to pay* and at the same time continually confront the regulators to obtain relief from this problem in the future? PAT]