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From: jsadler@misty.boeing.com (Jim Sadler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy
Message-ID: <1150056@misty.boeing.com>
Date: 15 Dec 90 04:58:16 GMT
References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu>
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/ misty:comp.sys.hp / mikeg@dali.gatech.edu (Mike Gourlay) /  7:01 am  Dec 13, 1990 /
>Hi HP people,
>
>	I hear that  HPUX 8.0 will be shipped out in June or July.
>I also hear that X11R4 will be send with it.  That is, if you have
>`software support.'
>
>	What if you don't have software support?  [Gripes about
>HP policy left for later.]  Will someone please make a tar file of the
>distribution tape, and put it somewhere?  Or send the tar file to those
>of us who have no support from HP?

	Why should you get the additions that HP put into X for free, while
	I have to pay for it ?
	As you say below X is in the "public domain", I beleive it's
	not.  It is freely distributed.  If you want it, why not ftp it
	from uunet or mit.
>
>	My local HP rep was confused when I told her I knew of
>people with X11R4 on an HP.  She seems to think that it hasn't been
>released yet.  People have it, though!

	As they say not all reps are created equal and its not always
	the reps fault.  The 842 and 852 intro is a good example.  The
	sales force didn't know about them until a few days before they
	were introduced.  They didn't get briefed until after the intro
	and some of the magazines knew about them way before the field
	offices.  I think marketing at Corp HQ. messed but good.
>
>	Why does the X11R3 that comes with HPUX 7.0 not include
>some of the X routines that many public programs expect?  Will X11R4
>lack this hideous problem?

	Good question !  I'd sure like to know!  It's not restricted to
	just X either other libraries are missing !!
>
>	Why does HP consider fixing their software bugs (called an update
>of the OS) something for which you have to pay big money for a
>support contract?  It is unfair.  If you pay for UNIX, you should get UNIX,
>and not have to pay incrementally to have HP give you UNIX over a period
>of time.  It isn't as if the machine was inexpensive up front.  It isn't as if
>HPUX is not the most incompatible port of UNIX and X on the planet. It 
>most certainly is NOT that new versions of the OS are improvements
>to UNIX.  The new versions are bug fixes.  That is not right.

	I kinda agree somewhat, except for the "most incompatible" try
	Xenix or apollo "UN*X".  Software only update service is $600
	per year list.  I would think that it would be cheaper than that
	for you with the edu discount.  The last time I check Sun and
	DEC charged for their update service.  Is it competative ??
>
>	X is in the public domain.  HP makes so called `inhancements'
>(read "incompatible frilly fluff")  to it and sells it for money. 

			Stuff deleted.


	I really do wish HP would provide libraries and utilities that
	are more upto date.
>
>	For now, I run many of the X apps I need on a Sparc, and just
>have the Sparc use my display.  EtherNet is wonderful.  xhost + is
>fantastic.  My HPUX is being used as a dumb X terminal!!!  I'd like it
>to evolve into something more useful.

	While ours aren't "dumb X terminal"'s.  I understand the
	feeling.
>
>	Thank you in advance for your reply,
>	Mike Gourlay
>	mike@penguin.gatech.edu
>
>--------------------------------------------
>I don't officially speak for Georgia Tech or GTRI;  Why the hell
>should they care if I'm unhappy with HPUX, just because I work
>with it every single day?  The upper echelons have Sparcs and SGI's.
>----------

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