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From: jsadler@misty.boeing.com (Jim Sadler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Questions about HPUX 8.0, X11R4, HP policy
Message-ID: <1150057@misty.boeing.com>
Date: 17 Dec 90 21:46:28 GMT
References: <1990Dec13.100152@dali.gatech.edu>
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support
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/ misty:comp.sys.hp / harry@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) /  1:29 pm  Dec 14, 1990 /
>Mike Gourlay writes:
	
	MUCH DELETED.
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>>	Why does the X11R3 that comes with HPUX 7.0 not include
>> some of the X routines that many public programs expect?
>
>We do not ship some of the libraries distributed in the MIT X Consortium
>distribution because of possible support problems.  It may appear to be
>bureaucratic overhead, but for us to release a product we have to show
>that we've adequately tested it.  This involves having a test suite
>which covers a certain percentage of the paths through the code, and
>enough test hours (with few enough bugs found) to ensure that the
>customer will be able to make good use of the product.  We simply do not
>have the "engineering resources" (i.e.  enough people) to adequately
>test all of the various pieces of the public X11 release.
>
   I can accept the above.  But why doesn't HP provide the untested code
   as "user supported" ?  DEC does this with their install tapes.  I'm
   not sure, but I believe they do it for no extra charge (at least it
   doesn't show up as a seperate charge).  This is the first time that I
   have heard why HP doesn't ship certain libraries, up till now I
   thought someone was makeing capricious and arbitrary decisions on what
   to not included with HP-UX.  Is the above reason why certain berkley
   utilities and librarys are missing ?
	MORE DELETED.
>
>While ranting and flaming may make one feel a bit better during moments
    					                         ^^^^^^^
	Two points I'd like to make:  1.  If it was just moments that
	happened occasionally, I would agree with you.  When it happens
	week after week in the normal  course of your work it gets
	extremely fustrating.  Please don't think I agree with
	everything that Mr. Gourlay say's, I don't, but I do empathize
	with him.  These feeling are compounded if you work in a
	multi-vendor shop and you can walk to a brand X machine and it
	does what the HP didn't.
	2.  Please, Please don't take my or anyone else postings
	personally.  Most of the time the reason I make critical type
	postings is because I can't get the real information anyother
	way and I hope it might influence someone to correct my perceived
	problem.
>of frustration, it doesn't help motivate anyone else to provide
>assistance.  Also, saying thank you at the end does little to remove the
>bitter taste of the preceding flames.
>
>Harry Phinney   harry@cv.hp.com
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