Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Brewster Buffalo (was: draft) Message-ID: <1990Dec17.043326.23633@cbnews.att.com> Date: 17 Dec 90 04:33:26 GMT References: <1990Dec6.021948.19031@cbnews.att.com> <1990Dec11.014719.25687@cbnews.att.com> <1990Dec13.033543.19538@cbnews.att.com> Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 48 Approved: military@att.att.com From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) >denying it to the enemy. The Germans required 10 kills. >It is a common misconception that muti-engine planes counted as >multiple kills. According to Adolf Galland (in his book, The First >and the Last, I believe) there was a points system for medals. >So many points and a Knights cross, so many more and a Knights cross >1st class etc. The German term was "expert". I'm not sure whether there was a minimum number of kills required for achieving expert status, but the number of kills achieved was important to ones' standing. In a two ship "rotte", the leader would be the one with more kills to his credit. So you'd see interesting peck- ing orders in the air. Geschwader and staffel commanders often flew as wingmen to pilots with lesser rank. Officers often flew as wingmen to sergeants. The German system for confirming kills was supposedly every bit as stringent as anyone elses'. The main rea- son they (and Japanese) experts racked up huge scores was due to their having to fly until the war was over or they got killed, whichever came first. Most were shot down multiple times (Galland was shot down twice in one day, but scored three kills). Ameri- can fighter pilots (at least in Europe) were transferred home after 200 combat flying hours, British aces were simply promoted to desk jobs after a year or three of combat. German airmen (at least on the Eastern front) mostly flew tactical support of ground troops (or interdiction of the Russian counterpart) and thus flew sorties continuously. British and American airmen rarely flew this inten- sively. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@AQUA.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !