Xref: utzoo comp.ai:8304 sci.bio:4216 sci.psychology:3950 alt.cyberpunk:5458 Path: utzoo!utgpu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!fladrif!cho From: cho@fladrif.entmoot.cs.psu.edu (Sehyeong Cho) Newsgroups: comp.ai,sci.bio,sci.psychology,alt.cyberpunk Subject: Re: The Bandwidth of the Brain Message-ID: Date: 28 Dec 90 22:26:33 GMT References: <1990Dec22.213121.12226@dsd.es.com> <1990Dec24.202254.2832@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Sender: news@cs.psu.edu (Usenet) Organization: Penn State Computer Science Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: fladrif.entmoot.cs.psu.edu In article magi@polaris.utu.fi (Marko Gronroos) writes: > > Why do you say that we can't understand our thinking? > It's quite true that a pocket calculator (pc) can't understand it's >"thinking", but then, a pocket calculator doesn't THINK, it doesn't >LEARN, It doesn't make INTELLIGENT CONCLUSIONS. I don't think that we >can make a "law of not understanding oneself", if we have only one >example of beings who really can't understand ANY of their functional >principles (computers). Hmmm. Dogs are quite intelligent. They think. They learn. Now, will it be possible for dogs to understand their thinking mechanism? Who knows? But my beliefs of this is of 0.1E-100000000 certainty. :-) If you agree with me (dogs will probably not ..) you must think that human intelligence is something which is ULTIMATE. I.e., you must believe if there are any other beings more intelligent than humans, the difference should be only marginal. Right? I don't think so. There are things which humans would probably not understand forever. > > The last word: Is it useful for us to say that we can't create >thinking machines? That kind of law is an ANSWER, and only religions Yes, I think it is very useful. It turns a day-dreamer into a researcher. :-) We don't have to create a thinking machine. We just want our machines to boldly do what no other machines have done before. >give ANSWERS. If we believe that we can't have progress in our >research, then there really can't be any progress. That's the main >reason why I don't like most religions.. :-/ Believing humans can do anything also makes a religion, only worse. Please don't talk about religion unless you know what it is. Happy New Year! Sehyeong Cho cho@cs.psu.edu