Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!glmwc From: glmwc@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Matt Crowd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: A2320 not sufficient Message-ID: <1990Dec22.125326.18870@marlin.jcu.edu.au> Date: 22 Dec 90 12:53:26 GMT References: <1990Dec21.135935.8235@marlin.jcu.edu.au> <1990Dec21.172447.725@javelin.es.com> Organization: James Cook University of North Queensland Lines: 99 In article <1990Dec21.172447.725@javelin.es.com> blgardne%javelin@dsd.es.com writes: >glmwc@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Matt Crowd) writes: > >>Why is it that MicroWay can produce a card which COMPLETELY removes >>interlace flicker and C= can't ? Surely they pay you enough Scott Hood. > >Geeze, the arrogance of this message has got to beat anything else I've >ever seen posted to Usenet in the last 5 years. Why the personal attack >on someone that's been kind enough to spend a lot of his own time to answer >questions here? He wouldn't have spend so much time explaining the "features" if it worked 100%. You can buy a super VGA card for less than the A2320! It works 213/256000% of the time (NTSC, assuming the flicker is only 1/3 of a scan line). Now normally 99% is pretty good, but try telling that to a Apollo/Sun user when demoing the 3000. So what can we run to impress them? A Pysgonosis Demo in low res??? That way I won't have to put the black tape at top of the screen... It is not just the A2320 that will stop C= from being taken seriously. 1) Try telling people that the Amiga can only handle 640*400 with 16 colours on screen. People buying UNIX boxes have already asked on the net whether C= have improved the graphics on the Amiga when asking about the 3000UX. They haven't. The only noticible difference in ECS is a non-interlaced mode that is so slow it makes a Mac Plus look quick. Now who is going to buy a 20MIP UNIX workstation that can only manage 640*400 in 16 colours? (assuming the 3500 has an 040 in it!) Atari? They might clone it and call it a 3000TT. A $150 US VGA card can do much better. Now C= might be working on some super 32 bit chip set, but why couldn't they just stick some gate array (like a mac) to improve the graphics until the new chip set was done? I mean C= sell IBM clones with VGA cards, so we shouldn't have to wait 2 years for the new chips. Fine so there is some A2410 card coming out eventually. But it probably won't be compatible with any software and will cost extra. C= should give the thing away and tell people it is standard Amiga graphics. Marc Barrett has been flamed for years after complaining about the declining Amiga graphics, and he's right. It was a leader when it first came out, but it is way behind now. 2) The 2091 harddisk controller card is bug ridden. I have just got a brand new one, which is stuffed. I told the dealer about it, and he said they were all stuffed and that it would stop reading the drive eventually! Just look at the about of noise on the net about it. Other C= hardware has been dodgy, such as the 1950 monitor. Now why is it that every person I know buying an Amiga lately is getting a NEC monitor? People ARE prepared to pay more for quality. 3) Advertising! This is C=. Bob from Marketing : "Well lets plan our new ads." Jim from Marketing : "Ok, so what market are we after?" Bob : "Well you still can't get a decent spreadsheet so we had better stick with the kids!" Jim : "Ok, we'll emphasise the fact you can pirate lots of games and we'll show some cool games and demos. Wait, I've got it! We have these 2 kids fast forwarding this video tape, no adults will understand it but their kids will want one for Christmas." Bob : "Brilliant. We'll put it on during teenage mutant ninja turtles." Jim : "Exactly what I was thinking. My kid will love it." Bob : "We'll sell hundreds." This is Apple. Bill : "Well I think we should emphasise the Mac is easy to use in business and show some productivity software." John : "Commendable, we'll give it more credibiltiy by showing it during the news at 6." Bill : "We should achieve substantial market penetration." Ok. Flame me all you like, just look at the sales figures guys. I'm piping all the hate mail to /dev/null and wearing fire proof underwear and only reading comp.sys.next for 2 weeks as well... >Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 >blgardne%javelin@dsd.es.com ...dsd.es.com!javelin!blgardne (I hope) >{decwrl, utah-cs}!esunix!blgardne >DoD #0046 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. BIX: blaine_g Matt Crowd. Configuration : A2000 (14 Mhz 68881 CMI) 2091 + 50 Meg Quantum. ECS + 2320 RAM : 3 MEGS NEC 3D Proffessional Page.... and heaps of GAMES!