Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!glmwc From: glmwc@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Matt Crowd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: A2320 not sufficient Message-ID: <1990Dec23.061633.29185@marlin.jcu.edu.au> Date: 23 Dec 90 06:16:33 GMT References: <1990Dec21.172447.725@javelin.es.com> <1990Dec22.125326.18870@marlin.jcu.edu.au> <1990Dec23.040355.20001@NCoast.ORG> Organization: James Cook University of North Queensland Lines: 86 In article <1990Dec23.040355.20001@NCoast.ORG> davewt@NCoast.ORG (David Wright) writes: >In article <1990Dec22.125326.18870@marlin.jcu.edu.au> glmwc@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Matt Crowd) writes: >>He wouldn't have spend so much time explaining the "features" if it >>worked 100%. You can buy a super VGA card for less than the > It DOES work 100% of the time. >>A Pysgonosis Demo in low res??? That way I won't have to put the >>black tape at top of the screen... > The 2320 is made for people who want a good display. NOT one of those >ugly VGA-type displays with a black boarder around your graphics. You will see >NO flicker if you have your monitor adjusted right. You CAN adjust your >monitor can't you? Or idd you buy one of those cheap VGA monitors the clone >mfgrs make that leave 2 inches (at least) all the way around the video. Lets see......I go to the store to buy a video card that supposably removes flicker, i get home put it in the computer ans *STILL* have to adjust the colours and screen size/position to get rid of the flicker. >>1) Try telling people that the Amiga can only handle 640*400 with 16 >>colours on screen. People buying UNIX boxes have already asked on the >>net whether C= have improved the graphics on the Amiga when asking about >>the 3000UX. They haven't. The only noticible difference in ECS is a >>non-interlaced mode that is so slow it makes a Mac Plus look quick. > First of all, the Amiga CAN handle more than 640x400 with 16 colors. >I use a 700+x500+ workbench all the time, much better than a normal VGA ^^^^^^^^^ This is in 16 colours or less. >display. And under Unix you can get as part of your package the Lowell board >which does much better graphics. Why compare the video used under AmigaDOS >(which has to be compatible), with what can be done under Unix (which >doesn't)? Have you ever SEEN how the display looks under Amiga Unix? >I didn't think so. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As a matter of fact I have seen it. >>Now who is going to buy a 20MIP UNIX workstation that can only manage >>640*400 in 16 colours? (assuming the 3500 has an 040 in it!) Atari? >>They might clone it and call it a 3000TT. > I don't know, but as the Amiga isn't limited to that resolution or >screen depth, I don't see that that matters. Can't see that screen resolution or depth matters??? Ever heard of Image Processing??? A common use for UNIX workstations. >>A $150 US VGA card can do much better. Now C= might >>be working on some super 32 bit chip set, but why couldn't they >>just stick some gate array (like a mac) to improve the graphics until >>the new chip set was done? I mean C= sell IBM clones with VGA cards, >>so we shouldn't have to wait 2 years for the new chips. > If you like the SLOW VGA cards so much, why didn't you buy a PC, and If you like SLOW ECS then use it. >>C= hardware has been dodgy, such as the 1950 monitor. Now why is it >>that every person I know buying an Amiga lately is getting a NEC >>monitor? People ARE prepared to pay more for quality. > Maybe they are just stupid. There is nothing wrong with the 1950. >If people got bad ones, that is certainly a shame, but is probobly due more >to handling during shipment the a screw-up at C=. I have not had ANY problems >with my 1950, It has a better display than the Nec 3D I use at work every day, >and it doesn't have those ugly black borders. I also know several other people >who have gotten 1950 and have not had any problems with them either. Do you have a seeing eye dog??? There have been at least 100 complaints about the 1950 in the last 3 months, so don't try to shrug it off like it's o.k or something >>Bill : "Well I think we should emphasise the Mac is easy to use in >>business and show some productivity software." >>John : "Commendable, we'll give it more credibiltiy by showing it during the >>news at 6." >>Bill : "We should achieve substantial market penetration." > More like, >Bill: We have this outdated piece of ****, which only displays monochrome >video, and has a GUI slower than a dog on a hot day. Any idea how to >unload the things? >John: Well, if we buy huge amounts of advertising, and tell people they >dont NEED color or multitasking, they might believe it and buy them. >Bill: Great. Some people actually bought the Lisa, so this might work. >John: Oh, and if we call it the "Classic", we might even sell a few more. > > Dave They do believe it AND buy them, maybe because it's got something to do with having good business software........ Matt Crowd Amiga Man.