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From: davewt@NCoast.ORG (David Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: A2320 not sufficient
Summary: Ahh, another person who opens their mouth without knowing the facts
Message-ID: <1990Dec23.040355.20001@NCoast.ORG>
Date: 23 Dec 90 04:03:55 GMT
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In article <1990Dec22.125326.18870@marlin.jcu.edu.au> glmwc@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Matt Crowd) writes:
>He wouldn't have spend so much time explaining the "features" if it
>worked 100%.  You can buy a super VGA card for less than the
	It DOES work 100% of the time.
>A Pysgonosis Demo in low res??? That way I won't have to put the
>black tape at top of the screen...
	The 2320 is made for people who want a good display. NOT one of those
ugly VGA-type displays with a black boarder around your graphics. You will see
NO flicker if you have your monitor adjusted right. You CAN adjust your
monitor can't you? Or idd you buy one of those cheap VGA monitors the clone
mfgrs make that leave 2 inches (at least) all the way around the video.
>1)  Try telling people that the Amiga can only handle 640*400 with 16
>colours on screen.  People buying UNIX boxes have already asked on the
>net whether C= have improved the graphics on the Amiga when asking about
>the 3000UX.  They haven't.  The only noticible difference in ECS is a
>non-interlaced mode that is so slow it makes a Mac Plus look quick.
	First of all, the Amiga CAN handle more than 640x400 with 16 colors.
I use a 700+x500+ workbench all the time, much better than a normal VGA
display. And under Unix you can get as part of your package the Lowell board
which does much better graphics. Why compare the video used under AmigaDOS
(which has to be compatible), with what can be done under Unix (which
doesn't)? Have you ever SEEN how the display looks under Amiga Unix?
I didn't think so.
>Now who is going to buy a 20MIP UNIX workstation that can only manage 
>640*400 in 16 colours? (assuming the 3500 has an 040 in it!)  Atari?
>They might clone it and call it a 3000TT.
	I don't know, but as the Amiga isn't limited to that resolution or
screen depth, I don't see that that matters.
>A $150 US VGA card can do much better.  Now C= might
>be working on some super 32 bit chip set, but why couldn't they
>just stick some gate array (like a mac) to improve the graphics until
>the new chip set was done?  I mean C= sell IBM clones with VGA cards,
>so we shouldn't have to wait 2 years for the new chips.
	If you like the SLOW VGA cards so much, why didn't you buy a PC, and
wait for the mouse pointer to catch up to where you moved it under Windows.
>graphics.  Marc Barrett has been flamed for years after complaining about the
>declining Amiga graphics, and he's right.  It was a leader when it
	Are you sure you didn't have a brain transplant with MB?
>2)  The 2091 harddisk controller card is bug ridden.  I have just got
>a brand new one, which is stuffed.  I told the dealer about it, and he
>said they were all stuffed and that it would stop reading the drive
>eventually! Just look at the about of noise on the net about it.  Other
	He lied. I haven't seen any FACTS on the net about it at all. I used
one for years and had NO problems at all. What bugs are you talking about
anyway?
>C= hardware has been dodgy, such as the 1950 monitor.  Now why is it
>that every person I know buying an Amiga lately is getting a NEC
>monitor?  People ARE prepared to pay more for quality.
	Maybe they are just stupid. There is nothing wrong with the 1950.
If people got bad ones, that is certainly a shame, but is probobly due more
to handling during shipment the a screw-up at C=. I have not had ANY problems
with my 1950, It has a better display than the Nec 3D I use at work every day,
and it doesn't have those ugly black borders. I also know several other people
who have gotten 1950 and have not had any problems with them either.
>This is Apple.
>
>Bill : "Well I think we should emphasise the Mac is easy to use in
>business and show some productivity software."
>John : "Commendable, we'll give it more credibiltiy by showing it during the 
>news at 6."
>Bill : "We should achieve substantial market penetration." 
	More like,
Bill: We have this outdated piece of ****, which only displays monochrome
video, and has a GUI slower than a dog on a hot day. Any idea how to
unload the things?
John: Well, if we buy huge amounts of advertising, and tell people they
dont NEED color or multitasking, they might believe it and buy them.
Bill: Great. Some people actually bought the Lisa, so this might work.
John: Oh, and if we call it the "Classic", we might even sell a few more.


			Dave