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From: rhyde@ucrmath.ucr.edu (randy hyde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Computer capabilities
Message-ID: <10807@ucrmath.ucr.edu>
Date: 29 Dec 90 06:34:06 GMT
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>> re: 8088 vs. 65816

Why don't we all call a truce on this one.  It's generating too much
noise around here and it's not productive at all.  By now it should be
obvious to everyone (on both sides of the argument) that ignorance is
going to reign forever around here, there's no convincing people on the
other side that they're completely wrong.  Support of the Apple II and
the 65816 is a religion to some, and they'd rather die a martyr than
open their eyes to any form of "enlightenment".  Personally, I'm
typing this at the keyboard of a Mac IIfx, not an Apple IIGS.  You're
defintely not going to be able to convince me that the GS is better than
my Mac II.  OTOH, I also own a GS which I like quite a bit.  I don't
want to talk you out of that machine, it may not be the best but it's a
damn good machine.  All of this negative stuff started about six months
ago with everyone complaining about the lack of support from Apple concerning
the Apple II GS.  I would like to take a moment and recap Apple's lack of
support over the last couple of years:

Apple doesn't give us new system software: How about the latest 5.x?
Apple doesn't give us new hardware: How about the video overlay and SCSI cards?
Apple doesn't give us new applications: How about hypercard?
Apple doesn't try to sell the GS anymore: I dunno about this year, but last
year the GS was the top selling machine in unit volume.  Perhaps they don't
have to *try* to sell it, it sells on its own.
Apple doesn't advertise the machine: why should they? It sells on its own.
Apple hasn't given use a new Apple II machine recently: What kind of machine
could they build that would be a major improvement over the GS (much like the
GS was over the //e?)  Until the 65c832 becomes a reality, AND if it offers
substantial improvements, I doubt we'll see a new Apple II.  For those who
think the 65c832 is too little, too late, let me point out that I was
thinking the same thing about the 65c816 in 1985.

If you still think Apple doesn't support the Apple II family anymore, I
invite you to go purchase a PC jr. or even an IBM PC/XT and tell me about
support.  (Sure, you can buy more powerful "XT" compatible machines today,
but Apple will sell you a Mac LC which is a more powerful //e today).
*** RAndy Hyde