Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!isi.edu!vaxa.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: comp.music Subject: Re: 2nd rate European Conference Message-ID: <16247@venera.isi.edu> Date: 7 Jan 91 15:22:58 GMT References: <9101051511.AA10253@hplpm.hpl.hp.com> <5056@idunno.Princeton.EDU> <16244@venera.isi.edu> <5064@idunno.Princeton.EDU> Sender: news@isi.edu Reply-To: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute Lines: 46 In article <5064@idunno.Princeton.EDU> eliot@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Eliot Handelman) writes: >In article <16244@venera.isi.edu> smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) >writes: >;In article <5056@idunno.Princeton.EDU> I wrote: >;>;Date: Fri, 04 Jan 91 11:27:16 SET >;>;From: Lelio Camilleri > >;>;Analysis always presupposes a segmentation of the piece in >;>;question, but the criteria for this operations are problematic. > >;>Just whose concept of "analysis" is this anyway? I don't know >;>of any post-adornoesque metacritique of analysis that asserts >;>"presupposed segmentation." Of which music, for instance? > >;I'm not sure just whom or what you are trying to attack here. Do you wish to >;contest the premise of a tight coupling between analysis and perception? >;THAT, >;after all, is the premise behind the sentence you have chosen to attack. > >Yes/2 Steve: that's 1/2 of what's making me vomit. The other half is >the premise that "this is how analysis ALWAYS goes," suggesting that >"these dumb analysts don't seem to know any better. We will set them >straight." > Hold your horses, Eliot (while I saddle mine)! You may have intended your "whose concept" question to be rhetorical, but I felt it deserved a literal answer. All I wanted to do was lay out what seemed to be the premise behind that sentence that set you off. I make no claim to buying into that premise, but I certainly think it is worth debating. On the other hand, if you wish to reject that premise as violently as your prose would indicate, I wonder why you even bother wasting so much time to compose your diatribes. > GET A LIFE. > How about "GIVE IT A REST" instead? ========================================================================= USPS: Stephen Smoliar 5000 Centinela Avenue #129 Los Angeles, California 90066 Internet: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu "It's only words . . . unless they're true."--David Mamet