Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!thad From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: JR-Comm VT100 emulation Message-ID: <37486@cup.portal.com> Date: 2 Jan 91 06:20:49 GMT References: <600@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> <37397@cup.portal.com> <647@faatcrl.UUCP> <37439@cup.portal.com> <654@faatcrl.UUCP> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 200 xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) in <1991Jan1.053325.937@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> writes: [...] It really isn't. First, the Amiga, barely capable of showing 132 columns in doggy type with overscan, shouldn't be trying to do that anyway. Second, the 132 column capability in the VT100 was a hardware option, so no program not designed around it should ever require it. Re: "...barely capable of showing 132 columns ...", depends what monitor and what amount of overscan you're using; I have no problems with any of A1070, A1080 or CDP-1302 monitors. Re: "...132 column capability in the VT100 was a hardware option...", yeah, sure. EVERY VT100, from day 1, could do 132 columns. EVERY VT100. If you didn't have the extra RAM, you'd only get 14 lines (e.g. 132x14) instead of 24, but, again, EVERY VT100 would do 132 columns. Additionally, what many people seem to overlook, perhaps due to their not ever having used a VT100 or any VT100-compliant application programs, is that the VT100 has four (4) screen resolutions (NOT counting interlace (yeah, let's not forget that a real VT100 supplies RS-170 broadcast quality video output on one of its two BNC video jacks)): 80 x 24 with standard characters in 80-column mode 132 x 24 with standard characters in 132-column mode 40 x 24 with double-wide characters in 80-column mode 66 x 24 with double-wide characters in 132-column mode Continuing ... jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) in <654@faatcrl.UUCP> writes: >First, I'm happy to hear that Dave P. Schaumann solved his difficulty >with JR-Comm V1.01, and am pleasantly surprised to hear that Jack >Radigan enhanced >the "base" D.J.James' COMM program so well. I really wish you'd do some investgating before you post such erroneous information. JR-Comm is completely original, it is not "based" on any previous work. I wouldn't be comfortable asking for a registration fee if it was. Fine. You've cleared up what apparently wasn't obvious. EVERY other "-COMM" program for the Amiga has been apparently based on the original "COMM" program. >As far as "VT100" compatibilty goes, if a program doesn't 100% pass >the Per Lindberg "vttest" VT100 validation suite, then a program is >NOT compatible. Have *you* tested JR-Comm with it for yourself? I would appreciate either the source to this program or your results so that I can fix any remaining problems that may (or may not) exist. No, I've not tested JR-Comm since I don't have it. Eight (8) times during the past 4 years I've posted the information where to get vttest. It's on a Fish Disk and is also at EVERY comp.sources.* archive site I've seen. Since this appears to be your first post to Usenet, I'll be charitable and include (again) the access info to vttest (at the end of this posting). Double width/height is there. 132 isn't, by me directly, but if you add the proper fonts it would work. I can't see the use for 132 columns with the Amiga since you need 660 pixels at a minimum for 5 pixel wide characters with only 4 allowed for the character itself since one is required for spacing. -jack- Being a bit obstinate, aren't you? I don't know of anyone who'd have difficulty displaying 660 pixels across one's Amiga screen; I even do that at my office with the crappy A1080 monitors and it's usable. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. I hope, for your sake and with your attitude, you never post to sci.skeptic or talk.origins! :-) :-) Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ] ==================== begin included material ==================== Path: portal!cup.portal.com!thad From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: VT100 tester Message-ID: <36336@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 04:08:50 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1946@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> Portal-Origin: Usenet Portal-Type: text Lines: 107 Portal-Bytes: 4228 Portal-Location: 16154.3.3663.2 arutherf@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Rutherford) in <1946@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> writes: A couple of days back, someone posted to the net regarding an interactive vt100 compatibility tester, and claimed this could be found at your local archiver. Unfortunatly, I have lost the article, and now have need of this tester, and can't find the program anywhere. Can someone please email me the address and directory of an archiver that has this program? Sorry, that was my original posting and I neglected to indicate where the test was to be found (since its mention was only incidental to the gist of the message thread). Enclosed is a copy of one of my prior postings in this regards. The program's name is "vttest" and can also be found, as I discovered recently, at the archive site wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (IP 26.2.0.74). And, note, it's also on a "Fish Disk". Sheesh, the nerve of some people who recently claimed the "old" AmigaLibDisks should be tossed out with the fishwrap (no pun intended :-). An archive is an archive is an archive, and should be preserved FOREVER. Period. What would you think of the Library of Congress tossing out the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution simply because they're old and have been "amended"? Double sheesh. Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ] -------------------- begin enclosed material -------------------- Relay-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site portal.UUcp Posting-Version: version 11.1 Portal gateway; site portal Path: portal!cup.portal.com!thad From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,unix-pc.general Subject: Per Lindberg VT100 Validation Suite Message-ID: <25019@cup.portal.com> Date: 14 Dec 89 10:06:13 GMT Date-Received: 14 Dec 89 10:14:05 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 59 Xref: portal comp.sys.att:9095 unix-pc.general:4838 Portal-Origin: Usenet Portal-Type: text Portal-Bytes: 2157 Portal-Location: 1074.3.3641.1 Many have asked me how they could acquire the "Per Lindberg VT100 Validation Suite" test program I mentioned in a posting pertaining to something else. Due to an email backlog, I'm presently unable to answer personally, hence this net posting to unix-pc.general and comp.sys.att. If you have uucp and/or FTP access to uunet.uu.net: /usr/spool/ftp/comp.sources.unix/volume7/vttest: total 35 -r--r--r-- 1 rsalz 8824 Dec 1 1986 part1.Z -r--r--r-- 1 rsalz 26029 Dec 1 1986 part2.Z If you have uucp and/or FTP access to tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (aka osu-cis): comp.sources.unix/Volume07: -rw-r--r-- 1 bob 9016 Sep 2 1986 vttest.1.Z -rw-r--r-- 1 bob 26192 Sep 2 1986 vttest.2.Z If you have access to the Fred Fish Freely Redistributable Software Library for the Amiga: This is disk 35 of the freely distributable AMIGA software library. Vttest Program to test compatibility of vt100-compatible terminals and terminal emulators. Requires the resources of a Unix system to test an Amiga hosted vt100 emulator. (I haven't yet found one that even comes close to passing this test!). Author: Per Lindberg If you have access to any other archive site of comp.sources.unix (or the older mod.sources), you can also easily find it there. And, finally, here is the header from the original posting by Rich $alz to mod.sources as I grabbed it over 3 years ago: Article 388 of mod.sources: Relay-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site well.UUCP Path: well!ptsfa!lll-lcc!lll-crg!seismo!mirror!sources-request From: sources-request@mirror.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.sources Subject: v07i016: Test VT100 features, Part01/02 Message-ID: <228@mirror.UUCP> Date: 2 Sep 86 21:07:43 GMT Date-Received: 3 Sep 86 08:54:23 GMT Sender: rs@mirror.UUCP Organization: Mirror Systems, Cambridge MA Lines: 622 Approved: mirror!rs Submitted by: seismo!enea!suadb!lindberg (Per Lindberg QZ) Mod.sources: Volume 7, Issue 16 Archive-name: vttest/Part01 [ See my comments at the beginning of the README. -r$ ] Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ] -------------------- end enclosed material -------------------- ==================== end included material ====================