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From: hastoerm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Moriland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Re: Neo Geo
Message-ID: <4581@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Date: 7 Jan 91 22:30:52 GMT
References: <6725@crash.cts.com> <4563@vela.acs.oakland.edu> <1014@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz>
Reply-To: hastoerm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Moriland)
Organization: Evil Young Mutants For A Better Tomorrow.
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In article <1014@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz> ifarqhar@sunc.mqcc.mq.oz.au (Ian Farquhar) writes:
%>In article <4563@vela.acs.oakland.edu> hastoerm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Moriland) writes:
%>>HAM mode uses. The large palette makes from some nice screens. And
%>>yes, it can address up to 330 megaBYTES. 
%>
%>Well, as the Neo Geo uses a 68000, which can only address 16M, we can
%>assume that the 330M (which frankly I do not believe) is only either
%>addressable by the graphics and sound hardware, or by bank switching.
%>Another thing that makes me very suspicious is that 330M is not a power
%>of 2.  My information is that the current carts contain up to 6Mbytes of
%>ROM.

Perhaps I am wrong on the mem size, but it still does have a hell of a
lot to play around with.

%>
%>>I must admit, that in my opinion, it is the ultimate home video game
%>>system out at the moment. 
%>
%>I don't.  The games, at the moment, are pretty dismal, and the actual
%>animation hardware is reportedly not that hot.  As for the claimed
%>"wonderful graphics", all the games I have seen seemed to be badly drawn
%>and particularly poorly animated.

I disagree. The games I have seen were amazingly good for anything in
the way of a home machine and certainly beat most of whats out for the
Amiga with the possible exception of the Psygnosis titles which are so
hard you generally don't play them for long anyways.

>
>>Seeing as the same hardware is what they are using in
>>the arcades, they plan to have the arcades as well as video stores et
>>al rent the carts to overcome the high price of them. 
>
>So what?  There are A500 motherboards in lots of arcade machines too.

So far I have seen ONE arcade machine that layed claim to having an
A500 motherboard in it and ONE that said it's graphics were drawn on
the Amiga. Outside of the Battletech center in Chicago (which uses
some heavily modified A500s) I can't think of many machines using
A500s and those games that were released on the Amiga that were
supposedly IN these arcade machines have been less than awe inspiring.
(I couldn't believe the rave reviews New York Warriors recieved.
YUCK!)

>
>>When you consider what it does and how well it does it and the fact
>>that the A500 can't come close to it, it will be a good reason for
>>those people who were going to buy an A500 for games to switch to the
>>Neo Geo instead. It only has 6 games because it's brand new. It's
>>selling like mad in Japan.
>
>Except for the number of colors, the Amiga *does* come close.  Extra
>sound channels can be simulated on the Amiga (albeit using some
>computational overhead), and HAM can be used in moving graphics if you
>are clever enough (ie. background is all straight from the pallette and
>moving objects start with a pallette color and do not overlap.

If all of this can be done, then why aren't people doing it? I have
seen one Amiga game in HAM mode and it was another less than great
game. (Pioneer Plague) I haven't heard a single Amiga game which
simulates etxra sound channels. Sound and graphics wise, the Amiga
doesn't come close to the Neo Geo. This is coming for a long standing
Amiga fanatic as well. (Ask any of my friends.)

>This may
>sound limiting, but remember that the *best* arcade-style game on the 2600 was
>Demon Strike, and it's graphics were *much* more limited than this.  It
>was just so well done that nobody noticed.  Demon Strike, BTW, is still
>the best shoot-em-up I have ever seen.)

If you think Demon Strike is the best shoot 'em up you've ever seen,
then I can't really put much faith into the rest of your comments.
Sorry, but although it was impressive for the old 2600, it is not the
best shoot 'em up I've ever played. Rather simple if you ask me.

				-Moriland


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