Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!gatech!mcnc!ncsuvx!news From: dcc@ccvr1.ncsu.edu (Daniel Carr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Apple lisa Message-ID: <1991Jan3.151755.13140@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> Date: 3 Jan 91 15:17:55 GMT References: <37512@cup.portal.com> Reply-To: dcc@ccvr1.ncsu.edu (Daniel Carr) Distribution: na Organization: NCSU Computing Center Lines: 75 In article <37512@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: >I am looking for info on the Apple Lisa computer... What little I know: i have a lisa also, and i'm looking for used hardware :) >Practical experence on my side with the Lisa is nil: Ive turned it on a >few times, and noted its quite similar apperence to the Mac, which might >lead on to assume that the Lisa is a Mac 'prototype'. Execpt for the >largish case on the Lisa (and a few other oddities), the Lisa might >just as well be a Mac: same screen, mouse, similar keyboard, same >diskette drive (visually... its missing a much needed mechanical eject). right you are. when the mac first came out, software was introduced to make the lisa run the Macintosh O/S, called Macworks. The Lisa running Macworks became called a Macintosh XL. With a whole megabyte of memory and a hard disk, at that time, the Mac XL was an attractive alternative to the 128k or even 512k Mac. About a year ago, Apple destroyed all their surplus Lisas and put them in a landfill. I guess they were tired of skeletons in their closet. There are three main retailers i know of that still support the Lisa. They are: (800-821-3221) Sun Remarketing (800-323-1751) Dafax Frank Freeman, of the LisaShop Phone: 916-668-5637, FAX: 916-668-0950. Although Apple no longer supports these machines, these places do. Items sold include memory upgrades, SCSI cards, accelerator boards, floppy drive upgrades, etc. Sun Remarketing has rewritten Macworks and called it Macworks+. Macworks+ makes the Lisa the functional equivalent of a Macintosh Plus, except slightly slower and no digitized sound. >Can any one give me hard info on the Lisa? I might be able to get my hands >on one for about $150, with mostly everything (including a ST-506 5mb >hard drive! wow!). Unfortunatly, the machine lacks diskettes. I dunno if >there is anything on the hard drive (no cable to mate it to the box with)... $150 is quite a lot, since you can get a new SCSI card for it for the same price from Sun Remarketing. I recently bought a 5mb profile hard drive through the net for $25. And the seller thought it was a 10mb drive! I guess that's one of the pitfalls of buying stuff through the net. But it was in better condition than the one i had been using, so i kept it. $5/meg of disk space isn't too bad. the lisa is a pretty good computer, but try to avoid putting too much money in it, since new Macs can be had cheaply, and used Macs can be had for even cheaper. i've collected a wealth of information on Lisas, so if you have any further questions, feel free to ask. daniel btw, my setup is: 1 Lisa with 1 meg, 1 10mb profile with Lisa SystemV Unix, 2 5mb profiles with Macworks+, but i need a parallel card to connect more than one profile up at a time. anyone who wishes to sell Lisa stuff, please contact me. ----- Daniel Carr "I'm from North Carolina and I DON'T support Sen. Jesse Helms" --on a bumper daniel@cc.ncsu.edu dcc@ccvr1.ncsu.edu daniel@ncsuvm.BITNET