Xref: utzoo sci.energy:3667 sci.electronics:16589 sci.physics:16137 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Ordania-DM From: Ordania-DM@cup.portal.com (Charles K Hughes) Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.electronics,sci.physics Subject: Re: solar cells Message-ID: <37448@cup.portal.com> Date: 1 Jan 91 02:59:36 GMT References: <1990Dec17.190857.16559@engin.umich.edu> <1990Dec28.210436.10601@zoo.toronto.edu> <939@venice.SEDD.TRW.COM> <1990Dec31.171413.18138@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> <1990Dec31.220520.27738@zoo.toronto.edu> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 43 A lot of people having been talking about the cost of solar power versus alternatives...those opposed to solar power as uneconomical are, perhaps, not looking at the complete picture. Solar power is probably bext compared to Nuclear power in terms of "manufacture" of the energy output. Nuclear power: fuel is dug from the ground, processed (slag is put aside to be buried), used to generate energy, remains of fuel are buried. Solar power: no digging, no processing, energy is converted from sunlight, no remains. Under the absolute worst case scenario a solar cell will last forever as its own waste product. Presumably it won't contain harmful substances that can get into water supplies, the air, etc. Now, if it does contain some harmful substance, then we should recycle it. Under the absolute best case scenario nuclear waste is with us for thousands of years. Nuclear waste gives off radiation while it decays, sufficient radiation to kill things nearby, and enough to poison the air/water/earth/etc nearby. Am I missing something here? Sure, producing nuclear energy is cheap, but what are the hidden costs incurred in disposal? In accidents? Compare the *TRUE* total costs and Solar energy looks like it is free. The comparison is not identical when fossil fuels are substituted for Nuclear but there are still hidden costs - global warming, acid rain, oil spills, etc. The only technologies that compare favorably (in economic terms) are dams, energy plants on water, wind, and solar. These all have hidden costs in regard to the environment, but they are (effectively) unlimited sources of energy that create no "unnatural" pollution. Carbon monoxide, dioxide, and the sulfur compounds are "natural" pollution, but not when we are measuring our "natural" pollution in terms of TONS. Nuclear waste is not a natural pollution. In addition, Solar (and theoretically Solar-Wind :) power can be generated off-planet. Now, we were talking about the economical aspects of oil & nuclear? The biggest cost in alternative energy is the startup cost. The biggest cost in oil is the continuing requirement for it. And the biggest cost for nuclear is the disposal (regardless of what the cost of transportation of the waste is, we will, eventually, pay the full cost). Charles_K_Hughes@cup.portal.com