Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!ucsd!ucbvax!pasteur!news From: news@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (Six o'clock News) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: Meters and RMS, was: Powerline voltage too high... Message-ID: <10003@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 3 Jan 91 00:12:20 GMT References: <5402@rsiatl.Dixie.Com> <9839@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> Reply-To: charless@cory.Berkeley.EDUIn article <9839@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes: Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 40 >Your KWHr meter has always been RMS-responding. >[...] >Rich RMS is not and should not be used in 'true' power meters. They read just plain average power ( I will use '

' for this). The only reason people use RMS to begin with is to be able to calculate

from V^2/R by using V=RMS(V(t)). From: charless@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Charles R. Sullivan) Path: cory.Berkeley.EDU!charless Perhaps this example will help. To spare you the trigonometry, I will use a square wave voltage, 50% duty cycle, between 0 and 100V. RMS(V(t)) = sqrt( (100^2 + 0)/2 ) = 70.7 Volts. With a 10 ohm load (resistive), I(t) is a sqare wave between 10A and 0, so = = (100*10 + 0)/2 = 500W To calculate

= V^2/R, we use RMS(V(t)) = sqrt( (100^2 + 0)/2 ) = 70.7 Volts, so

= 5000/10 = 500W, as before. We needed the RMS trick, because the straight average voltage, 50V would not give the right result; 50^2/10 = 250 W. However, doing RMS(P(t)) yields a wierd, not-useful result: RMS(P(t)) = sqrt( (1000^2 + 0)/2 ) = 707W. I certainly hope the power company doesn't use that to bill me. (That would mean, for example, that using a 1000W appliance for 1/2 hour would be billed the same as a 707W appliance for 1 hour!) ~ Perhaps the reason a 'true RMS power meter' is sometimes specified is that if you made a power measurement by measuring voltage and current, with separate meters, and then multiplied the measurements together *after* the meters averaged each independently, you would prefer meters that used 'true RMS' measurements of the voltage and current. This would result in correct average power in the case of a resistive load. However, it would not give correct results for a current waveform that was not identical in shape and phase to the voltage wavform. Hence the need for power meters, which multiply the instantaneous voltage and current, and then average (or in the case of a kWhr. meter, integrate) the result. Charlie Sullivan charless@cory.berkeley.edu