Xref: utzoo sci.energy:3677 sci.electronics:16617 sci.physics:16151 sci.space:26768 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!dweasel!loren From: loren@dweasel.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.electronics,sci.physics,sci.space Subject: Re: solar cells Message-ID: <88637@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Date: 3 Jan 91 00:56:48 GMT References: <37448@cup.portal.com> <1991Jan2.015717.23554@amd.com> <37487@cup.portal.com> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Followup-To: sci.energy Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 83 Nntp-Posting-Host: dweasel.llnl.gov The issue of chemical vs. nuclear poisons was brought up yet again. I feel that this anti-nuclear allergy that too many people have will someday be remembered as one of the irrational phenomena of our time. But I doubt that it is worse that the turn-of-the-century enthusiasm for patent medicines made from radium and other radioactive materials. As to chemical poisons being decomposable, that depends on what kind of chemical poison. Heavy metals cannot be chemically decomposed. And some chemical poisons are difficult to decompose, such as chlorinated hydrocarbons. The persistence of certain pesticides like DDT should be well known. True, DDT and other such non-biodegradable substances can be burned at high temperature, but burning at high temperature is just that. I remember some years back that the EPA was hoping to burn some toxic wastes in a ship at sea, but some environmentalists didn't like that idea very much. I keep on being amazed by the anti-RTG movement. They complain that those who send up RTG's on spacecraft have not done comprehensive studies of possible alternatives. Yet I wonder if the anti-RTG people have done anything similar. Consider the difficulties of doing maintenance on a spacecraft, which usually cannot be brought back to its designers. Millions of dollars and months of work go into designing some spacecraft, so it is important that they be likely to keep on working. One should try to use components that need as little maintenance as possible, and RTG's fit the bill very well. They are continuously "on" and have no moving parts. Solar cells are one common alternative, but they tend to degrade over time and they cannot be used in the outer Solar System, due to the extreme dilution of sunlight there. A focused-sunlight system would have several problems. A mirror would have to be kept pointing at the Sun, and the generating system has an abundance of moving parts, which are an all-too-familiar maintenance headache. There is also the problem of replenishing leaked working fluid. And I am not aware of any focused-sunlight system that has ever been used in a spacecraft. Chemical reactions are out of the question. Buth fuel and oxidizer would have to be taken along, which would add a serious amount of weight for a months-long mission. The power sources usually have an abundance of moving parts, and would have to be made redundant for the sake of safety (if one breaks down, the others could keep on moving). Batteries have a minimum of moving parts, but they usually have a very low available power to mass ratio (ask any designer of a battery-powered car). Fuel cells are relatively efficient, but even they have moving-part problems, and they require liquid hydrogen and oxygen, which must be kept away from heat. Systems using combustion can use fuels and oxidizers that are liquid at room temperature, but they also suffer from problems with moving parts -- consider typical turbines and piston engines. So either solar cells or RTG's are the way to go for spacecraft. I presume that this is the standard argument. In fairness to opponents of nuclear energy, I think that there is a sociological question to be considered. Most nuclear energy has been handled as large-scale projects. Simply consider how big a typical nuclear reactor is and how long it takes to build one. Big organizations have to justify their policies, and they often make excuses for keeping on doing what they have been doing. And they sometimes seem insensitive and arrogant. It's just what computers have seemed like in their early years, before personal computers became common. And on the issue of safety, one should ask what kinds of critical tests are possible. It is much easier to perform really tough tests on an RTG than on a nuclear reactor, so one may feel more confidence in their safety. And another possible difficulty with solar cells -- how much energy does it take to make them? They would not be too good if the amount of energy needed to make them was only equal to their output for several years of running. Has that question ever been addressed? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov Since this nodename is not widely known, you may have to try: loren%sunlight.llnl.gov@star.stanford.edu