Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!jarthur!ucivax!gateway From: gcf@mydog.uucp (Gordon Fitch) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: womyn-only space vs. men-only space? Message-ID: <19910102.1@mydog.uucp> Date: 3 Jan 91 17:12:33 GMT References: <1990Oct31.185009.701@athena.mit.edu> <46160@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <1990Nov26.050132.24561@iti.org> <1990Nov30.021256.4293@cbnewsd.att.com> <12000@sybase.sybase.com> Organization: Beauty in the Beast Lines: 24 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zola.ics.uci.edu One of the important elements of segregation which no one seems to be talking about (or which I missed; on Usenet, you never know) is the issue of power. It matters whether those who seek to gather in groups of their own kind have status and power in the society in which they live, or not. If they do not, and if their society is competitive, as ours is, and if they are likely to be judged by their membership in the group, as is the case in our society, then they are effectively under continuous attack and need some kind of space in which to breathe, as it were, and also meet others who are being subjected to the same kind of attack to consider what they might do in the way of common self-defense. If, on the other hand, they are like the people who gather at Bohemian Grove, their exclusiveness has quite another meaning. It is a way of celebrating and maintaining their success in attacking and dominating others, a way which mimics the way they actually operate in the world. The problem is not men, or women, or blacks, or Tasmanians, gathering in groups by themselves; the problem is the structure which divided them into these categories and set them against one another in the first place. -- Gordon | gcf@mydog.uucp