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From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Pornography AGAIN
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Date: 5 Jan 91 04:48:24 GMT
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Hillel,

I want to make one thing clear - I am NOT trying to prevent anyone
from practising consensual sex, whatever flavor... I am not comparing
S&M with staying in an unhealthy relationship (and I'm not sure what
posting you originally based that idea on)...  I don't think abuse of
children is healthy.  If one is compelled to act out whatever hurts
were done to them as a child on a child, that is not fine...  If you
"act out" your hurts (if this is actually what you are doing - my
claim is that in some cases it is) with a consenting adult, fine.  If
you TEACH people, through porn, that non-consensual sex is fine (so
that they *learn*), that's where I draw the line.... (though you MAY
notice that I am not proposing censorship, as you have accused me of -
I have made no proposals.)

I happen to be against any medium which preaches a double standard and
teaches that women (as a class) like to be hurt...  This means I am
against CERTAIN porn.  This also means that if a man ever said to me:
"you love this, slut", he'd find himself alone in bed...

I am NOT dictating what you may or may not do... truly... this is not
my intent, never was...

As far as my claim that men are oppressed in ways A, B, and C, and
your rejoinder that you never asked for my help, well, some of my men
friends APPRECIATE my being an ally... and certainly my 2 nephews
deserve to be exposed to some other ways of looking at the world,
rather than the patriotic/patriarchal stew we seem to find ourselves
in... I mean, hey, according to more than one newspaper source, the
whole Iraqi thing has something to do with Bush's manhood....

I fight it for my OWN life, not simply for the men around me....

Take care,
Elissa