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From: baranski@meridn.enet.dec.com (Jim Baranski)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: sexist space
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Date: 8 Jan 91 01:00:25 GMT
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In article <1990Dec10.023210.8120@athena.cs.uga.edu>, stabler@athena.cs.uga.edu (David Stabler) writes...

"If you were not angry about groups which until recently routinely
excluded women, I think it hypocritical to take a stand now. Aside
from that, there is a necessity for women-only social groups (note
that I do not include business clubs, political groups, etc.)"

I don't support the right of any group to exclude anyone because of
prejudice.  I find it hypocritical that women complain about being
excluded, then go on to form groups which exclude men.

Women have always had women-only social groups: ladies clubs, tea
parties and what not.  While these groups seemed too trivial to
attract men in the past, they fullfilled their social purpose.  Now
there are frequently women only groups with substance and purpose
which some men might want some involvement in, but they are denied
because of prejudice.

"since women have been socialized to defer to men unconsciously
(speech patterns, personal space, and internalized stereotypical views
about sex roles are just a few examples of this).  Only in the absence
of what many women characterize as the "aggressor" can many women
learn assertiveness, divulge problems in relating with one or more
men, identify and try to change stereotypical sex-role expectations,
etc."

So, you what you are saying is the reason for the prejudice is not a
problem in the men, but a problem in the women?  Such is always the
case in prejudice.  How ironic! :-}

Jim Baranski