Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!data.nas.nasa.gov!news From: tilley@ssd.Kodak.Com (David Tilley) Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern Subject: Re: Are Zen enlightened people superior? Message-ID: <1991Jan5.015319.1001@nas.nasa.gov> Date: 5 Jan 91 01:53:19 GMT References: <1991Jan4.010410.2482@nas.nasa.gov> Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov Organization: Eastman Kodak Lines: 14 Approved: prabhu@amelia.nas.nasa.gov In article <1991Jan4.010410.2482@nas.nasa.gov> simmonds@demon.siemens.com (Tom Simmonds) writes: > > >Zen enlightenment requires the abandonment of the concept that there is >some "self" or ego-substance. I hate to bring up Karma again and Re-birth again, but I will. This has always been a problem for me. There being no self, exactly who is reborn? Who has any karma that goes between lives? If there is no Self, how can "I" be reborn? There is no "I". Is this "I" no more than a ripple in a stream? Dave