Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!rutgers!njin!princeton!phoenix!eliot From: eliot@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Eliot Handelman) Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Is this the end of the lisp wave? Message-ID: <5256@idunno.Princeton.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 91 08:40:55 GMT References: <2456@paradigm.com> <22573@well.sf.ca.us> <96861@aerospace.AERO.ORG> Sender: news@idunno.Princeton.EDU Organization: Princeton University, New Jersey Lines: 21 ;>Common LISP effectively died from obesity. ; ;*And* still managed to leave out "neq". It died because it was linked to AI and that died. The whole beauty of list processing was that at one time it was seriously believed that thought was essentially list processing, and if you toss in recursion you can accomodate self-consciousness too. A lisp machine was a machine whose resident language was "the logic of thought." No one believes this anymore, so lisp semantics have been relativized, and now it's in competition with much faster languages which have no such pretensions, but which are computationally equivalent. Still, Lisp is a nice langauge for big, open-ended explorations into cognitive architectures written by people who aren't macho about how fast they can feed numbers into arrays; and interestingly, lisp has acquired a strong foothold in the technoarts community, of which I'm a member. Lisp still has a distinctivbe aesthetic feel to it that makes it seem to come closer to a screwball "language of thought" than C for instance, even if you're only thinking about this as history, as a way of life that was more naive and more optimistic than we can be about what a brain machine was going to look like.