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From: karish@mindcraft.com (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Sophistication of federal investigators
Summary: Dreaming about changes
Message-ID: <663830222.20770@mindcraft.com>
Date: 14 Jan 91 05:17:00 GMT
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In article <1991Jan14.032648.5638@cbnewsh.att.com> wcs@cbnewsh.att.com
](Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs) writes:
]In article <1991Jan13.191251.28841@ddsw1.MCS.COM> karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM
](Karl Denninger) writes:
]]This problem has to be stopped AT THE SOURCE.  Legislation has to be
]]introduced, pushed and passed that strengthens the individual's rights
]]against our marauding government. [ ... ]
]]Pre-trial seizure of assets, in ALL facets of society, has to 
]]be outlawed without exception.  Just recompense needs to be made available...

]Of course you're correct.  But there are a bunch of things that can
]be done to help the problem:
]- educating the public about the abuses of government
]- educating the legislators about the unwillingness of the public to
]	accept this "long train of abuses".
]- defending individuals against harassment
]- making it clear to the Polizei that they can't win all the time,
]	and making it expensive for them, in time, money, and reputation.
]- suing them successfully when they violate the laws in actionable ways.
]
]Part of this is done by education and lobbying, but a major technique
]is to start defending people, and winning, one case at a time.

Remember, we're talking about taking significant discretionary power
away from the executive branch.  This requires real, goal-oriented
political action; `education' programs don't cut it.

The ACLU has been using all the suggested approaches for as long as
it's been in existence.  Even so, the government continues to chip away
at the Bill of Rights.

Let's not kid ourselves about the magnitude of this task.  It'll be a
long time before large numbers of voters start asking their
representatives `what have you done to defend civil rights' before they
ask `what have you done for me lately'.
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	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
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