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From: wcs@cbnewsh.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Sophistication of federal investigators
Message-ID: <1991Jan14.032648.5638@cbnewsh.att.com>
Date: 14 Jan 91 03:26:48 GMT
References: <1991Jan10.035939.26587@ddsw1.MCS.COM> <286@kumr.UUCP> <1991Jan13.191251.28841@ddsw1.MCS.COM>
Organization: Conspiracy?  What conspiracy?
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In article <1991Jan13.191251.28841@ddsw1.MCS.COM> karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) writes:
]This problem has to be stopped AT THE SOURCE.  Legislation has to be
]introduced, pushed and passed that strengthens the individual's rights
]against our marauding government.  Jurors everywhere need education so as
]to find people "NOT GUILTY" when they have committed no crime.  People need 
]to be educated so that they will demand and have that jury trial and be 
]acquitted.  Pre-trial seizure of assets, in ALL facets of society, has to 
]be outlawed without exception.  Just recompense needs to be made available,
]at the expense of the individuals who promulgated and facilitated
]these harassment cases, to the victims of government "strong-arm" tactics.

Of course you're correct.  But there are a bunch of things that can
be done to help the problem:
- educating the public about the abuses of government
- educating the legislators about the unwillingness of the public to
	accept this "long train of abuses".
- defending individuals against harassment
- making it clear to the Polizei that they can't win all the time,
	and making it expensive for them, in time, money, and reputation.
- suing them successfully when they violate the laws in actionable ways.

Part of this is done by education and lobbying, but a major technique
is to start defending people, and winning, one case at a time.
By winning a few big "anti-hacker" cases, and maximizing the public
noise they make, the Polizei are improving their reputation as
"Protectors of the Public", and nothing succeeds like success.
By helping individuals defend themselves against the State,
and publicizing the kind of crap the State is doing, the EFF is doing a
lot of good for society as a whole as well as for teh individuals they help.
And in the legal business, every precedent that gets set has a major
influence on future cases, especially at the opening of a new field of law.

Way to go, guys!!
-- 
				Pray for peace;
					Bill
# Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs AT&T Bell Labs 4M-312 Holmdel NJ
# "I can see all Southeast Asia, I can see El Salvador, ..."