Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!mcnc!ncsuvx!news From: kdarling@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) Newsgroups: comp.os.os9 Subject: Re: MM/1 Opinions and availability Keywords: OSK, MM/1 Message-ID: <1991Jan10.215524.8004@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> Date: 10 Jan 91 21:55:24 GMT References: <1991Jan10.110931.5118@cs.nott.ac.uk> Sender: news@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: NCSU Computing Center Lines: 68 > Can anybody provide an objective view/review of the two new OSK > machines, the MM/1 and the Frank Hogg Labs TC machine. > For a start, are the machines available yet... does anybody have > experience of using them, and what are the current US prices? Here's what I can dig up from announcements/ads (warning: long). DELMAR.... 302-378-2555 The System-IV uses a 16Mhz 68000. Seven PC/XT slots (two used by WD hard disk and VGA cards). RTC. PC/AT keyboard included. Two parallel ports, 4 serial. Space for 4M RAM, expandable with board in special connector to 12M. Model K401-v w/4M RAM, 40M HD, VGA: $2000. Model K402-v w/1M RAM, VGA: $1500. Monochrome Hercules card $100 less. Comes in AT case. Pro OSK included. Made by Peripheral Technology. FHL.... 315-469-7364...... The TC9 card uses a 2Mhz 6809E and a GIME video chip. Supports up to 1meg RAM, has 2 serial, 1 parallel, PC keybd port, 8-bit A/D/A. Has a coco bus; not sure about slot count or options there. About the size of a 5" drive. It can plug into a K-bus backplane, and act as peripheral(s) for a 68K card on the bus. Board price: $300 w/0K. W/mini-tower case and 512K: $500. The TC70 uses the 68070/VSC chip set at 15Mhz. It can plug into the K-bus. Comes with Pro OSK and 1.5M RAM, expandable to 14M via K-bus memory cards. PC-AT keybd port. 3 serial ports, 1 parallel. DMA floppy and SCSI. 8-bit A/D/A. RTC. Optional palette card. Mouse port. I think board is $1000. With case/one floppy: $1400 on sale. K-Bus cards: 4-slot bus: $60. 16-slot: $290. 2-meg DRAM (0/K) card: $300. 4-port serial: $250. 4-port parallel: $150. 68881 (math) card: $300. 68030 card: $800. Prices may have come down due to competition. IMS.... 202-232-4246 (orders) The MM/1 uses the 68070/VSC chip set at 15Mhz. Cards are 4x8" or so. The first contains the cpu/video, 2 serial ports, single-bit sound, DMA hidens floppy port, PC/XT keybd port, 1M RAM, Pro OSK included, some utils and debugger in ROM. Neither the TC70 nor MM/1 come with keyboard or mouse, btw; you buy the PC ones you like (or from them). Oh, and first card includes a 24-bit (8-bits each RGB) palette controller. Second board has RTC, SCSI, 2 parallel, 3 serial, dual channel DMAable 8-bit A/D/A, two SIMM (mac/pc) RAM sockets = expansion to 3M or 9M total. Normal price w/low-profile case/power/hidens 3.5" drive is $780, with both boards: $1125. Limited time kit offer right now is both boards for $875; case/power: $100; 2M expansion RAM: $150. MISC: To the best of my knowledge, the MM/1 will ship in earnest the first week of Feb... the TC70 card just before or around that time... and the TC9 card in a coupla months (or perhaps sooner; depends on software). The SYS-IV has been shipping for a few months. The only system I have personal experience with is the MM/1, starting with a prototype from early last year. I've been working on windowing software using the MM/1; so far DELMAR and Hazelwood (they make the TC70) haven't offered any units for ports. MM/1 developer units have been in the hands of Mike Haaland for paint programs, Mike Knudsen for MIDI, Mark Griffith for UUCP, et al for a coupla months... I think they read here. What can I say? It's lotsa fun; I stopped using my ST/OSK a while back. We've been porting Amiga animations and all sorts of sounds to the MM/1 since last September. I think all the new machines are neat. best - kev or <76703.4227@compuserve.com>