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From: platkus@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProTERM (was:Re: GS as a IIe)
Message-ID: <1991Jan12.062209.8306@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: 12 Jan 91 06:22:09 GMT
References: <9101100605.AA03915@apple.com> <6553@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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In article <6553@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:
>Ah!  Proterm bashing!  Here I come!
>
>In <9101100605.AA03915@apple.com> V2071A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU ("George A. Piotrowski Jr.") writes:
>
>>It was also the only comm program on the Apple that would support YMODEM.
>>I called alot of local BBS's and most of them made it easier to d/l programs
>>using YMODEM instead of XMODEM.  (because of the batch capability)
>
>I've yet to EVER get ANY of the protocols, except kermit to work to
>the Unix machines we use.  Our site has 7e1 for the word format.  I've
>tried all the standard sz, sb, sx, xmodem, etc trying to get it to
>work.  Proterm won't even acknowledge something is getting sent.  And
>yet I can jump into Mousetalk and download using xmodem whenever I
>wish.  I've even borrowed a copy of 2.2 to see if it would work.  It
>didn't.  It got chucked.  I've set all control characters to being
>escaped by sz, and I can't even get one block transfered.  And I KNOW
>zmodem will work across the lines, because my roommate did it all the
>time with his Mac, and I know others do it on their IBM's too.  Guess
>we didn't deserve a completely functional zmodem, after all it's just
>an Apple II eh?
>
>Now, I'll take my hatred of Proterm back if somebody can enlighten me
>to how to get Proterm to zmodem download over a direct connect 9600
>7e1 line.  Until such a time, it serves virtually no purpose to me.
>
>>I don't see where you have a problem with the menus.  They are straight
>>forward and easy to use. ( I am a computer programmer, and I still like the
>>interface).  I would wish that they would have a few of the file dialog
>>standard keys to the way files and volumes are selected (like tab to change
>>drives).  And if you are bothered by typing in a few commands, you can
>>program a global macro to d/l a file at the push of one button (actually
>>option-button).
>
>Have you ever seen Zterm on a Mac?  You initiate the zmodem (don't
>know if it does it on other protocols too) send and Zterm
>AUTOMATICALLY sees it, and starts downloading.  You just set the
>download directory before hand, and it does it.  Why can't Proterm?
>Yeah, the menu's are straight forward and easy to use, but which would
>you rather do?  Go thru menu's, or have Proterm automatically do the
>download.  And Zterm is shareware I believe.  One would think they
>would see better features in a package you have to pay so much more
>for.
>
>-k


I use ProTERM 2.2, and I know that X, Y, and Z modem all work fine.  
I've called up a couple of my mac friends and we have transfered files using
zmodem, and Ymodem.  
	But, just like you, I couldn't get ProTERM to work through the network
either.  It did the exact same thing you described.

I was working @ 2400 over phone lines.  A guy with a mac across the hall
dialed up with his mac, used the same rz and sz unix based protocals that I
tried, and it worked fine.  So we all know its ProTERM I guess.  
But Zmodem with ProTERM works fine going to another micro!

Can anyone help us?

(What we really need is a good comm prog for the GS that uses the desktop
interface, supports terminal emulations, and all popular protocals, and 
scrollback etc.  Like the Mac have)