Xref: utzoo unix-pc.general:7182 comp.sys.att:11445 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!thad From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Newsgroups: unix-pc.general,comp.sys.att Subject: Re: Brownouts, shorts, explosions and the unix pc. Message-ID: <37837@cup.portal.com> Date: 10 Jan 91 22:41:30 GMT References: <1991Jan5.045917.7018@shibaya.lonestar.org> <37644@cup.portal.com> <1470@das13.snide.com> <37726@cup.portal.com> <1991Jan9.064342.7045@yenta.alb.nm.us> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 46 dt@yenta.alb.nm.us (David B. Thomas) in <1991Jan9.064342.7045@yenta.alb.nm.us> writes (re: Tesla coils): So how big, physically, would this destructive device be? And would you simply zap it in the vicinity, and the massive EMI will do in sensitive equipment? Are our military's electronic items susceptible as well? I haven't studied Tesla coils all that much, but the dealer from whom I bought my surge protectors and UPS systems has a neato mobile display which he takes to customer sites and part of the display is a Tesla coil that weights about 40 pounds and is about the size of a small kid ... it has been known to zap IBM-PCs in adjacent rooms (no great loss, right! :-) He has stopped using that Tesla coil due to requests from his insurance company. A big concern should there ever be a nuclear war is that the EMP would take out the entire telephone system, all computers, all radios, all radar, traffic lights, etc etc etc so my answer would be "Yes, our military's electronic items are susceptible as well." And do NOT bring up "Tempest" shielding; that's only to prevent RFI emissions FROM military equipment being detected, intercepted and decoded. One of the original requirements for DES was simply to "protect" data travelling on wires between a CPU and its peripherals ... those RFI emissions CAN be detected and sensitive info so broadcast can be picked up and used by spies and competitors. Even the RFI hash from the front of a CRT can be relatively-easily "decoded" and an exact image of a CRT, say, 100 feet away, can be reconstructed on another CRT; in other words, your sensitive spreadsheet info on your screen in a closed room can be "intercepted" (by picking up the RFI) and displayed on another CRT. Operating a computer in something like a Faraday Cage may serve to reduce the effects of the "problems" mentioned above. I remember back when I worked for the Electronic Defense Labs how we HAD to use such shielded rooms just to be ablse to measure some of the things we were doing ... other equipment in the lab ('scopes, voltmeters, etc.) would otherwise interfere our measurements (and this was back in the early '60's). I would venture to speculate that all such problems can be solved if one is willing to spend enough money and endure the concomitant inconvenience(s). Sorta like the goal of "security" is to make it cost more in time and effort than the breach is worth, one has to make a decision as to how much the peace of mind is worth; and locks can only keep out "honest" people, not a thief! :-) Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]