Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!milton!mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: The Three Religions of NeXT X Message-ID: <14378@milton.u.washington.edu> Date: 14 Jan 91 20:43:37 GMT Sender: news@milton.u.washington.edu Organization: Mendou Zaibatsu, Tomobiki-Cho, Butsumetsu-Shi Lines: 66 There seem to be three religions on the subject of X on the NeXT expressed on this newsgroup. #1 says that interoperability is of supreme importance, even at the expense of ugliness. Anything, no matter how gross, is accepted as long as the job gets done. This religion is called UNIXism. #2 says that interoperability is of negative importance, and that it is best to have a machine that is wonderful and pure. The rest of the world is a bunch of cretins who deserve to suffer and should be ignored. Eventually the cretins will suffer enough and move to the True Religion. This religion is called Amigaism, the modern-day form of ITSism. #3 says that X is a total disgusting crock that is so bad that it must be stamped out, no matter what work is impacted. It doesn't matter if there isn't any alternate, or that the proferred alternative isn't all that great either. This religion is called Macism. The #2 and #3 religions are different, even if they appear similar; #2 is a conscious and perverse desire to be incompatible. All of us have been guilty of #3 thinking from time to time. In this case, I'm in the #1 camp. Frankly, I don't think that NextStep is all that great. Yes, internally it is much prettier than X. But there are only a fraction of the number of applications for NextStep that there are for X, and NextStep is only readily available on a single platform. The real killer, though, is that NextStep is proprietary. If NextStep was a quantum leap above X it may have survived this, but it isn't. I've done enough programming in NextStep to conclude that this emperor has no clothes. There are some gross kludges in NextStep. NextStep is neat, but I don't think it's going to take over the world. It's like the Amigoids who constantly bash the Mac; the Mac is a Fischer-Price toy and consequently is easy to bash. But, of the boxes of that technology (Mac, Amiga, Atari ST), which has been the big seller? Sad but true. What is a NeXT? It's either an incompatible, expensive PC (all the problems of the Mac without the advantage of a big customer base) or it's a cheap workstation with compatibility problems. I would not want to be in that market position right now. The Mac won big because of the pent-up demand for engines with a Xerox interface; people were willing to overlook its exhorbitant cost and limited capabilities. NeXT, I think, is selling machines based on pent-up demand for an affordable personal UNIX workstation. [Let me ask you, would you move to release 3.0 if NeXT yanked all the Unix compatibility stuff out -- that is, if all you got was Mach with NextStep on top of it?] Spouting our religions and flames is fun, but let's take a step back and try to ask ourselves -- who we are, what we are, what is our machine, what do we want of it. To the #2 and #3 camps, which is more important, keeping X off the NeXT or NeXT being around two years from now? _____ | ____ ___|___ /__ Mark ("Gaijin") Crispin "Gaijin! Gaijin!" _|_|_ -|- || __|__ / / R90/6 pilot, DoD #0105 "Gaijin ha doko?" |_|_|_| |\-++- |===| / / Atheist & Proud "Niichan ha gaijin." --|-- /| |||| |___| /\ (206) 842-2385/543-5762 "Chigau. Omae ha gaijin." /|\ | |/\| _______ / \ FAX: (206) 543-3909 "Iie, boku ha nihonjin." / | \ | |__| / \ / \MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU "Souka. Yappari gaijin!" Hee, dakedo UNIX nanka wo tsukatte, umaku ikanaku temo shiranai yo.