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From: rshapiro@arris.COM (Richard Shapiro)
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Subject: Re: gender roles (was: feminism & simplification)
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Date: 9 Jan 91 01:46:04 GMT
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In article <663265517@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit) writes:
>In article <1991Jan5.142726.5081@arris.com> (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>>This was my point: feminism is about understanding the gender system
>>we all live with; it's not about women telling men what to do.
>
>Would you mind to quote some feminist texts,
>which were written after 1975, to prove your point?

All of texts I've read are from after '75, and all of them are as I
describe. I'm not sure how I can quote what isn't there, but I can
list some books:

Feminist Theory and Poststructuralist Practice
Chris Weedon (Basil Blackwell)

The Women Who Knew Too Much: Hitchcok and Feminist Theory
Tania Modleski (Methuen)

Women in Film Noir
ed. E. Ann Kaplan (British Film Institute Press)

The Power of the Image: Essays on Representation and Sexuality
Annette Kuhn (Routledge & Kegan Paul)

Women's Pictures: Feminism and Cinema
Annette Kuhn (Routledge & Kegan Paul)

Women's Oppression Today
Michelle Barrett (Verso)

The Sex Which Is Not One
Luce Irigaray (Cornell Univ. Press) [I haven't read all of this one yet]

Beyond The Fragments: Feminism and the Making of Socialism
Rowbotham, Segal and Wainwright (Alyson Publications)

The Desire to Desire: the Woman's Film of the 1940s
Mary Ann Doane (Indiana Univ. Press)

Studies in Entertainment: Critical Approaches to Mass Culture
ed. Tania Modleski (Indiana Univ. Press)

Visual and Other Pleasures
Laura Mulvey (Indiana Univ. Press)

Feminism and Foucault
ed. Diamond and Quinby (Northeastern Univ. Press)

plus numerous articles in New Left Review, Signs, and Camera Obscura.

>(Hint: what you call "understanding the gender system," I call
>"suggestion a new gender system which is more oppressive
>toward men than what we have now.")

Have you read *any* feminist theory at all? Do you keep up with the
new psychoanalytic and post-structuralist feminism (not even to
mention good old socialist feminism)? What is the basis for this
specious "hint"?

What I call "understanding gender systems" is just that, as even a
casual glance at any of these books will show you.  If you think
otherwise, please supply quotes from these books, or any other
substantive book of feminist theory.