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From: dhw@iti.org (David H. West)
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Subject: Re: gender roles
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Date: 14 Jan 91 20:26:00 GMT
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In article <1991Jan8.233427.22767@arris.com> rshapiro@arris.COM (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>In article <663265517@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit) writes:
>>(Hint: what you call "understanding the gender system," I call
>>"suggestion a new gender system which is more oppressive
>>toward men than what we have now.")

[rs gives short bibliography of what he describes as "the new
psychoanalytic and post-structuralist feminism".]

>What I call "understanding gender systems" is just that, as even a
>casual glance at any of these books will show you.  If you think
>otherwise, please supply quotes from these books, or any other
>substantive book of feminist theory.

It's just *an* understanding; others are possible, and *all* are
"merely social constructs", no matter how polysyllabic their names.
But since you seem to think that a quote somehow has more weight than
a netter's opinion, how about:

     "But there is enormous resistance to be overcome from those to
      whom exposing ideology _as_ ideology is truly shocking and
      outrageous, since for them ideology is _truth_, and to 
      question it is to question the whole foundation of their world."

      Cate Poynton, "Language And Gender: Making The Difference",
      Oxford University Press, 1988; p88. ["_" = emphasis in original]

-David West     dhw@iti.org