Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!spool2.mu.edu!think.com!zaphod!ub!dsinc!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: halcyon!peterm@sumax.seattleu.edu (Peter Marshall) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Keeping the Faith in Technology Message-ID: <16054@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 13 Jan 91 20:14:07 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service Lines: 33 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 11, Issue 37, Message 5 of 8 To paraphrase Chris Johnson's earlier reply, it is indeed difficult to sit by and let him remain unanswered. For example: "straying from the topic of telecommunications, and into the politics of technology"? Is Mr. Johnson kidding? Or has he so thoroughly failed to understand the comments he was responding to with such energy? An "indictment of technologists"? Here too, I'm afraid that weren't it either. And what a marvelous job of segregating off the "business end of such organizations." That arbitrary exercise has little to do with the phenomena in question here. See, for example, David Noble's AMERICA BY DESIGN. So-called "technological innovations" as Mr. Johnson uses the term, seems to be more a label than anything else. Nor is his use of the shopworn cliche that "they" are "only tools" worth much as yet another example of the usual reductionism. Thus the old argument premised on "use" by no means "makes all the difference." The comments re: the telecom system go some further distance to beg the relevant policy/political questions too. And although Mr. Jacobson is no "luddite," granting Johnson's apparently shallow understanding of this term, one fails to see how Mr. Johnson is contributing, n/w/s his alleged intention, to focus the issues on "where the decisions should be and presently are being made." I don't see as his assumption that "societal effects are impossible to predict" helps him provide this focus either. Seems it goes in the opposite direction. Given his interest in such "effects," he might find it useful to acquaint himself with what was once called "Technology Assessment," which did not share his assumption. Peter Marshall