Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil (Will Martin) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: More on BBSs and Phone Rates Message-ID: <16107@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 15 Jan 91 16:59:21 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: TELECOM Digest Lines: 60 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 11, Issue 42, Message 5 of 6 I've just caught up with the Digests covering this topic, and hope to get my comments in before the cutoff; I broke my wrist a while back so am typing everything one-fingered, which slows down my response/contribution capability... :-) I can understand the telco's point of view about charging BBS lines more in flat-rate localities (I may not agree, but I can understand it...). But, in *measured service* localities, let me take an extreme opposing view: BBS dial-in lines (and Dial-A-Joke, Time&Temp, etc. lines, too) should be FREE. After all, in measured service, the telco makes its money off the calls other people make TO these lines. It is in the telco's interest that there be as many of these dial-in-only lines as possible, because their existence will generate revenue from the people calling them. The operators of these services (BBSs, Dial-A-Whatever, etc.) have expenses in operating and maintaining the equipment; the telco should do its part by giving them free incoming-only lines. (It would be fine if the lines were set up so that outgoing calls were impossible; perhaps a certain level or number of incoming calls should be required to be maintained so that the telco continues to get adequate income off the lines to justify providing them, too.) Note that the whole business <-> residential distinction becomes moot in this case. Any incoming-only line that generates sufficient income to the telco from the measured service of the calls coming into it should be free to the operator of the service at that number. It doesn't matter if this is the perpetually-busy consumer-assistance- and-info line at the Better Business Bureau, incoming lines to Kinky's Adult BBS, the help desk at Sleazoid Software, Inc., or whatever; all of them create telco income in a measured-service world. Myself, I like flat rate unmeasured service, having a wife at home who is perpetually on the phone, so I don't particularly desire this scenario to come into being here and now. For those of you who are already in measured-service areas (and who don't have the "untimed" measured service described by one contributor), this sounds like something to be lobbied for. Right now, your telcos not only get the income from the measured service, but they also charge the people who operate the facilities that create the calls which generate that income! They're grabbing from both sides. It would seem more reasonable for them to get income from one side only. Y'know, one of the problems in these legal proceedings, like PUC hearings about a telco increasing the line charges for BBSs, is that one side wants a change (the telco) while the other side just wants to keep the status quo (the BBSers). That means one side is attacking while the other is just defending. Since the best defense is a good attack, that puts the latter group at a disadvantage. Any compromise means they *have* to lose something. Why not respond to the attack with a counterstrike, taking the above viewpoint? In response to their wanting to *raise* your rates, don't just ask that they remain unchanged, but instead demand they be eliminated entirely! That way, the status quo could be a settlement out of court... Just some orthogonal thinking ... Will