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Subject: Re: CYGNUS vs GNU (Was Re: Emacs for the Amiga 1000 ?  (MicroEmacs?))
Summary: Best Editor
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Date: 19 Jan 91 19:50:38 GMT
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In article <1991Jan12.151711.17948@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, lrg7030@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren  Rittle) writes:
> Note: I moved this as I fear some sort of editor war coming up, let's
> make sure it takes place in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy!

Really!  I have seen other posts in other groups that belong here too.
Now that I'm here, I feel much less inhibited than in the other groups, for
some reason.  ;-)

> 
> Adam Hill writes:
> > Wait for TurboText by Martin Tallifer. There is a demo of it on ab20.larc.
> > nasa.gov.
> 
....
> NO undo to speak of!  Once you even move the cursor from the
> last line edited, no undos can take place, ie they have a one
> line undo that it forgets about as soon as you move off the line!
> (Hell, I thought that Gold Disk was the only company making
> `Professional' software without undo features! :-) :-)

In the original message, I believe it was said that TurboText was better
than "Brief".  When it come to undo, Brief is incredible.  You can undo
ANYTHING.  Every keystroke, every cut, paste, whatever.  (Maybe there are
some odd things that can't be un-done.  There is no "redo" however. :-)
Anyway, for any text editor to claim to be even "as good as Brief", it
would need this level of undo;  I use it all the time.  If anyone can
seriously claim any Amiga text editor to approach the level of Brief,
I would like to hear about it.

Also, someone posted recently about the availability of "crisp", a Brief
clone for UNIX.  If anyone ports this to Amiga, I'd be really really interested
in it!  :-)  I was unsuccessful in compiling an older version of it on my 
UNIX PC.  (Perhaps there is a new version out?  Does anyone have an idea if
it has been/could be ported to Amiga?  UNIX PC?)

> 
> Only two views into a file at one time, with each document opening
> into it's one window.  This actually makes switching between docs
> a pain in the butt, IMHO.

Multiple views can be very handy.  I use them all the time with Brief.
> 
> Count me out, I stick with the power of CED.  But do get the demo,
> you may decide that TurboText is your cup of tea.  But at the
> same price as CED with less power, why?

Actually, with this discussion, I don't have much of a feel for these editors.
(Maybe someone could compare CED to Brief, so I could relate to it?  :-)

I like AZ (I have version 1.1), and Stevie (a VI clone).  AZ is nice (I 
especially like the mouse support and the keyboard defaults), but it has
a serious lack of features.  VI is, of course, cryptic, but after using UNIX
at least I am familiar with it.  I played with Uedit, but could not get 
used to it.  I want Brief for Amiga. :-)  But, since I don't do all that much
on my Amiga with text, it's really not a big deal; AZ seems to work fine.  (Is
there a newer version?)

> Loren J. Rittle lrg7030@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu