Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!uunet!olivea!mintaka!geech.ai.mit.edu!rjc From: rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Commodore Research and Development. Message-ID: <1991Jan15.182635.1679@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Date: 15 Jan 91 18:26:35 GMT References: <1991Jan9.095821.22197@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: daemon@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu (Lucifer Maleficius) Organization: None Lines: 66 In article dave@exactus.UUCP (David Salas) writes: > >There is something pretty sad about all this MB vs EveryAmigaProgrammer. >Nobody is listening.... MB comments go straight into the trashcan, without >any consideration at all, followed by a number of derogatory attacks on his >personal views that do nothing for the image of Commodore, nor for the >personal image of the attacker. It seems that a lot of Amiga programmers >are in a state of Paranoia that blinds them from seeing past their nose. > >It is pretty sad to see that nobody is even willing to listen to any >crticism about their beloved machine. If the Amiga IS the ultimate machine, >WHY are you all asking for more!? It is obvious that the machine needs to >catch up with new technology, and there is NOTHING wrong with admiting it, >nor about talking about it. What is a perfect operating system good for >when so many programmers out there ignore the rules anyways!? > >I love my Amigas (I have 5 of them), but I am sorry to see that you people >are more concerned about convincing the world that what we have is already >the best there is, rather than working towards making it the best there is. > >Programmers out there: your rethoric does NOT pay your rent. Users DO! And >as a USER, I don't care what kind of multitasking the amiga has, what I do >care for is that applications I use work well with it. Do you really think we are not willing to listen to criticism? There's a fine line between constructive criticism and bashing. Long before Marc made it to Usenet, people were discussing the Amiga's limitations: 1) No MMU Protection, Resource tracking, virtual memory. 2) No OS 24 bit graphics support. 3) Lack of 'bigname' software. 4) Poor marketing. 5) Custom chips still NMOS. 6) poorly written software. Marc's problem is that he uses misinformation to back up his posts, and he reiterates the same posts every month! I think I can speak for some people in that we are tired of hearing the same thing. Marc acts as if he knows Commodore's mistakes ahead of time, their decisions they will make, what every Amigan wants for his machine, etc. Don't make this into a battle of Programmers vs Users, because its not. Computers need everyone, smart advertising/marketers, engineers, programmers, and users. Users are free to make comments about poor programming/engineering/ marketing. The problem arises (like with Marc) when they comment about things they don't understand as if they understood them. What I mean by this is, suppose for example I said 'The Amiga custom chips are easy to redesign in CMOS, its the poor quality of Commodore engineers that's stopping this.'. Since I'm not an engineer, I have no right to say this, especially since its a mistruth. The correct thing to say would be 'Why haven't the custom chips been upgraded to CMOS?'. Some of Marc's posts are correct, but a lot of them aren't. His points are valid, but not the method he uses to communicate them. Marc also keeps changing accounts making it hard for people to put him in their killfile. > > >+---------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ >| David Salas | Exactus : David Salas | >| President | Genie : EXAC-DAVE | >| Exactus Information Service | UUCP : exactus!dave | >| (707) 524-2548 @ 2400 (8N1) | Fax : (707) 524-2546 | >| (707) 524-2553 @ 9600/1400 (V32/HST) | Voice : (707) 524-2547 | >+---------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ >My views are not necesarily those of Exactus Corp or anyone else.