Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!erb1!erb1.engr.wisc.edu!simmons From: simmons@nucst4.neep.wisc.edu (kim h simmons) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: The Three Religions of NeXT X Message-ID: Date: 15 Jan 91 04:39:45 GMT References: <14378@milton.u.washington.edu> Sender: news@erb1.engr.wisc.edu Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin,Madison., NEEP Department Lines: 200 In-reply-to: greg@travis.cica.indiana.edu's message of 14 Jan 91 21:19:07 GMT In article greg@travis.cica.indiana.edu (Gregory TRAVIS) writes: Path: erb1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!zaphod!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cica!travis!greg From: greg@travis.cica.indiana.edu (Gregory TRAVIS) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Date: 14 Jan 91 21:19:07 GMT References: <14378@milton.u.washington.edu> Sender: news@cica.cica.indiana.edu Lines: 63 mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes: >There seem to be three religions on the subject of X on the NeXT >expressed on this newsgroup. > ... A bunch of pontification that doesn't really say anything... >In this case, I'm in the #1 camp. Frankly, I don't think that >NextStep is all that great. Yes, internally it is much prettier than >X. But there are only a fraction of the number of applications for >NextStep that there are for X, and NextStep is only readily available >on a single platform. >>Please name a few X applications, at least 5, that the average gal with >>a NeXT on her desk will want to buy and use. Or just name some X >>applications for starters. Here is a partial list. There are about 3 times as many that i could add if you are interested. email me if you want details of some of these. Q-CHART SPSS Graphics Visual:ProChart MasterPlanIFPS/Plus (Interactive Financial Planning System) Q-Calc RealTime Spreadsheet SPSS Tables SPSS Trends UltraCalc II - Spreadsheet and Graphics InterBase /rdb and ve SPSS Data Entry IXI X.desktop File Manager for X Window System Natural Language TOPIC Distributor Information System AutoCAD CADRA-III Design/Drafting Software CAMAND Desktop Bravo EIS NextCAD Drawing Managemant System PALETTE POWRTRAN Pro/ENGINEER UNIGRAPHICS ACSL(Advanced Continuous Simulation Language) Statemate ViewMaster AEGIS CMStat Configuration Management and Document Control System AGL/UNIGRAPH 2000 AGS/UNIEDIT 2000 AGS/UNIGRAPH+2000 Component Manager Data/View/NEXPERT Subroutine Bridge DV-Draw DV-Tools FIGARO+ GECK(Graphical Editor Construction Kit) GRAFkit Graphical Editor Construction Kit MATLAB (MATrix LABoratory) PV-Wave S-PLUS ADVENT-PLUS BATCHFRAC ADINA ANSYS MENTAT Interactive Graphics SYSNOISE ARC/INFO ARC/INFO COGO ARC/INFO NETWORK ARC/INFO TIN CEAL DIGIMAP CAPSIM( CAPture and SIMulate) ESPS (Entropic Signal Processing System) Waves+ AGS/UNIMAP 2000 Contouring System DISCO Seismic Processing System ISM (Interactive Surface Modeling) MIMIC QUIKRAY QUIKSHOT/QUIKVSP RAYMAP SDL (Surface Display Library) SGL (Surface Gridding Library) SLIPR SPL (Seismic Line Program) VESPA Z-MAP MagNet 2D/3D Allegro Asic Desigh Kits Cassiope CEP (Constraint Exploiter Process) DEPICT-2 Design Compiler E-Sys Greenfield HDL Compiler HIBRID THERMAL HILE-3 Universal Logic Simulation System HSPICE LSED LWAVE MiCAD II MICROWAVE HARMONICA Microwave SPICE PARASITIC PARAMETERS PathMill PCB THERMAL PCB VIBRATION Prance GT PSpice RAPIDSIM Saber Simulator SCICARDS Super-Compact SUPRA SUPREM-3 TESTBRIDGE Time-Mill TRANSCRIBE TSuprem-4 ValidGED ValidTIME Verifault-XL Verilog Verilog-XL Veritime VISULA PLUS VTI VLSI Design System WORKVIEW BEASY (Boundary Element Analysis System) DISPLAY II DYMES ENDURE FEAP FIDAP (Fluid Dynamics Analysis Package) FLUENT FLUENT/BCF I-DEAS (Integrated Design Engineering and Analysis System) NEKTON NISA II NISA-COMPOSITES NISA/3D-FLUID NISAOPT SEPS MPAC (Maintenance Planning and Control) GRAFMAKER PicSure PicSure Plus AddDys-3000 CGM-View Visual:CGM UIMS/USEIT HIPS Image Processing Software P-Cubed Visualization Workbench >> would never think of setting someone loose with an X display on a Sun, >>whereas with a Mac or NeXT it's pretty darn intuitive for them. Our faculty don't seem to have any problems. >>And NeXTStep doesn't cost me 100+MB on my disk. X doesn't cost me 100+MB on my disk. >>I've got a NeXT in my office (on which I am typing this article) and a >>Sun. I use the Sun ONLY when I absolutely MUST have an X display, which >>is about once every couple of months. We've got SPARCstations galore >>around here and I'm not tempted even ONE BIT to grab one of my own. Some of us NEED X in order to do our jobs. You don't. I do. I guess that means that my dreams of using a NeXT are shattered. Oh well, welcome reality. -- =============================================================================== Internet: simmons@nucst4.neep.wisc.edu Othernet: simmons@hoofers.lake.mendota --- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- According to the HitchHikers guide to the galaxy, the one thing we *cannot* afford to have is a sense of perspective. ===============================================================================