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From: jdravk@speech2.cs.cmu.edu (Jeanette Dravk)
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Subject: Re: gender roles (SORTA LONG)
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Date: 18 Jan 91 00:39:55 GMT
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In article <15617@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> bloch@thor.ucsd.EDU (Steve Bloch) writes:
>
>I think you have a point here.  I did say "UNNECESSARILY restricted in
>freedom," but this begs the question of whence the necessity is
>derived.  The criterion "so that we can all co-exist as peacefully as
>possible" frightens me, as the worlds of _Fahrenheit_451_ and
>_Brave_New_World_ are peaceful indeed.  I think I cannot give an
>absolute answer to this; my immediate reaction is to say "necessary
>under predominant social mores here and now in order to avoid
>significantly more bloodshed and suffering than are now present."  In
>other words, the status quo, with a good helping of precognition.
>
>I'll work on it.

I'll be very interested to see what you come up with.  I hope you post
it if and when you find a viable solution.  One of the biggest
problems with attempting to solve "gender issues" is the fact that
there's really no effective, comprehensive model for measuring and
projecting oppresion on a given group.  I think the model will have to
assume that everyone (by nature of societies functions, which I think
we approximately agree on) is oppressed to some degree.  The problem
is, who is oppressed to the point where it effectively cripples their
creative functionality, what's the definition of oppression such that
it cripples an individual's contributions to society/themselves and
how are these groups/individuals oppressed?

Keep up the good work!

j-


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