Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ames!uhccux!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!jbaxter From: jbaxter@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Jon Baxter) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Minds, Machines and Godel. Message-ID: <2285@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> Date: 23 Jan 91 01:40:07 GMT Sender: news@ucs.adelaide.edu.au Reply-To: jbaxter@adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au.oz.au (Jon Baxter) Organization: Department of Physics, University of Adelaide, South Australia Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au Imagine for the sake of argument that I am a Turing machine axiomatizable by "TNT" a la Godel, Escher, Bach. I know (can even *prove*) that TNT is consistent, so one might say that I am TNT looking back at itself and proving my own consistency. But that is impossible, so what is going wrong? The most likely explanation to me is that the "proof" I offer for TNT's consistency is not a proof in the language of TNT. Or am I missing the point? -- Jon. "Life's too short for death."