Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!ogicse!milton!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!ftpam1 From: ftpam1@acad3.alaska.edu (MUNTS PHILLIP A) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: RS-232 powered modems Message-ID: <1991Jan21.234914.25788@ims.alaska.edu> Date: 21 Jan 91 23:49:14 GMT References: <19983@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1991Jan21.025151.6524@zoo.toronto.edu> <6128@healey> Sender: usenet@ims.alaska.edu (J Random USENET) Reply-To: ftpam1@acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 35 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <6128@healey>, grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray) writes... >In article <1991Jan21.025151.6524@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >:In article <19983@hydra.gatech.EDU> jgb@prism.gatech.EDU (James G. Baker) writes: >:>I've seen small 2400 baud modems that *only* have COM and phone connections. >:>How do these pull power from the telephone or computer? ... >: >:If you're thinking of the really tiny portable ones, there is generally >:a 9V battery tucked in somewhere, I believe. >: >:It is possible to pull a small amount of power from the phone lines, but >:this has to be done very carefully. There have been line-powered modems, >:but my impression is that they historically have not been very satisfactory. >:The available power is quite small and somewhat variable. >: > >The telephone loop supplies power at a nominal voltage of 48V (max 56, min 42). >The DC resistance of the loop will vary from 0 to 1800 ohms. > >During an active call (line off hook) you may draw up to 40mA from the loop >at whatever voltage the loop is going to give you (remember the loop resistance). >When the line is inactive, you may not draw more than 3 or 4mA from the loop >Drawing more than this will falsely start a new call. FCC Part 68 specifies this for the United States. I believe the on-hook impedance must be greater than 10 megohms. I have designed products that incorporate "line sniffers" that detect loss of the -48V on-hook voltage. The strategy is to slowly charge a low leakage capacitor thru a 10 megohm resistor and discharge it rapidly thru a coupling transformer or optocoupler. The whole cycle takes a few seconds. Interestingly, this all falls apart when the phone line is shared; the off-hook voltage is not enough to detect reliably. So we added special loop current relays to detect the off-hook condition. Philip Munts N7AHL NRA Extremist, etc. University of Alaska, Fairbanks