Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!lethe!yunexus!ists!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: F-14 vs. F-15 vs. F-16 (was Re: Mig-29 operated by Iraq) Message-ID: <1991Jan23.035148.3645@cbnews.att.com> Date: 23 Jan 91 03:51:48 GMT References: <1991Jan15.021838.23936@cbnews.att.com> <1991Jan17.053752.29563@cbnews.att.com> <1991Jan19.043412.6425@cbnews.att.com>, Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 36 Approved: military@att.att.com From: Allan Bourdius >>Sorry to disagree but I think the F14 is more maneuverable then you think. >>Back in the early days of the F15s, the Navy F14s used to regularly >>beat the F15s in dogfight simulations. > >More recently (say 3 years ago) a friend of mine who flew F-15s for >the USAF claimed that, all other things being equal, an F-15 can >almost always beat an F-14 in a dogfight, and an F-16 will almost >always beat an F-15. By "almost always," he said he meant "15 of 16 >times." I recall reading in BGEN Chuck Yeager's (USAF, Ret.) book _Yeager_ about his experiences flying the MiG-15 during the Korean War after we had gotten a NK pilot to defect with one. The results of the flight tests performed by Yeager on the MiG-15 showed that the F-86 Sabre of the USAF was an infinitely superior aircraft in most respects (speed, maneuverability, survivability, etc.). Yeager then preceded to wax the fannies of any Sabre pilot who wanted to take him on in the MiG. The Sabre pilots, of course, claimed that the MiG was better than the Sabre (no fault to their flying, of course). Yeager retalliated by putting a Sabre pilot in the MiG and he flew a Sabre. Again, Yeager waxed their tails all the time. What this proves is that the quality of the plane involved in a dogfight dosen't make the difference--the quality of the pilot does. Allan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan Bourdius [MIDN 3/C (Marine Option)/Brother, Phi Kappa Theta Fraternity] ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu or Box 4719, 5125 Margaret Morrison St., Pgh., PA 15213 "Give, expecting nothing thereof." "Phi Kappa Theta, just the best." "An unwarlike Marine is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar." Nothing that I have written is the opinion of anyone but myself. So there!