Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: dragon!cms@gatech.edu Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Do dead saints interact with us? Message-ID: Date: 26 Jan 91 04:24:17 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited Lines: 47 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , conan@herb-ox.berkeley.edu (David Cruz-Uribe) writes: > I would like to follow up on the question raised by Barry Olson on the > saints by expanding on the example of St. Agnes of Bohemia. In the > formal canonization process of the Roman Catholic church, no less than > two miracles attributable to the intervention of the saint must be > demonstrated--that is, good evidence must be given that the intervention > of the saint was sought in prayer and that these prayers were answered > by a miracle. (Perhaps this is the case with Czechoslovakia--who am I > to say?) David! So good to see you back on the Net again. A query for you concerning our dear Saint Thomas Aquinas, whom we both love: Thomas loved a particular kind of fish, called Pike. Supposedly, Thomas's miracle, requisite for sainthood, was his desire and prayer for Pike out of season. A fishing boat came in with Pike even though this was impossible. This miracle qualified him for sainthood. Now, another story has it that Thomas's brothers, who were opposed to his vocation, tried to get him to change his mind by kidnapping him and taking him bodily into a brothel and locking him in a room with several young women. As the story has it, Thomas fended off their advances with a poker from the fireplace. Now, here is my question: Which miracle qualifies him for sainthood? :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) > Second, Barry speculates that Demons (fallen angels) actually intercept the > prayer and respond. Here however, we must assume that Demons have the > power to work miracles and create good in God's name. Surely this is a > Manichean view of things! Evil can never create--it can only twist and > pervert and destroy. We're in agreement here, David. As Our Fair Lord once said, "A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand." > Yours in Christ, > > David Cruz-Uribe, SFO > > P.S. It's good to be back on the net after a long hiatus. Peace and > greetings to those who were here when I left! Peace, live long and prosper! Yours in Christ, Cindy Smith SPAWN OF A JEWISH CARPENTER A Real Live Catholic in Georgia (Also an aspirant....sounds like something you're choking on, eh? :-)