Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!emory!samsung!munnari.oz.au!uhccux!uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!ronald From: ronald@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Ronald A. Amundson) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.evolution Subject: Re: Homology/similarity/identity: proper usage. Message-ID: <11223@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Date: 31 Jan 91 19:16:35 GMT References: <3824@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> Sender: news@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii Lines: 55 In article <3824@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> steffen@mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (David Steffen) writes: > > I am again struggling with the proper use of the words "homology", >"similarity", and "identity" in comparing sequences. ... I agree with some some of the followup already given, and I'm not a great expert on molecular genetics. But there is an interesting problem here. The term "homology" clearly is being used differently in molecular genetics from its usage in traditional evolutionary biology. Steve Gould comments on the issue in his Natural History column for Feb. 1988, BTW, wishing that the molecular biologists would talk more like macro-biologists. The problem with calling identical molecular sequences "homologies" is not _just_ that it implies a common source for the two sequences. One of the commentators is correct that _any_ evolutionary use of "homology" infers a common source on less-than-certain evidence. The problem is that the criteria by which the common source is identified is different in the molecular and "macroscopic" inferences of homology. I can think of two differences -- forgive my ignorance if I've got facts wrong. 1) Good macroscopic evolutionary inferences of homology are based on "shared derived" characteristics. The nests of other sets of traits disallow certain similarities to count as homologies. Mere similarity alone can never be used to judge two traits as homologous. (Unless I'm wrong) the "mere similarity" (i.e. molecular identity or similarity, in the absence of evidence provided by other hierarchies of traits) of molecular sequences is used as a sufficient criterion for the term "homology" in molecular genetics. 2) It seems to me (insert disclaimer again) that when molecular biologists call sequences homologous, they mean that the two were copied from a similar ancestral _molecular sequence_. But the processes of copying molecular sequences are not identical to the processes of reproducing organisms. As I understand it, sequences can be copied within a genome, and with manipulation (and maybe some kinds of viral infection and other exotic stuff) between genomes. So the geneological tree connecting up similar sequences with their molecular ancestors will not be isomorphic with the geneological tree connecting organisms with their ancestors. So it looks as if the molecular use of "homology" is a _different_ use from the normal evolutionary use of the same term. Whether that is a tragedy or not depends on how confused we get by it. But I think it is worth noting that different concepts are being used. There are _lots_ of cases in the history of biology where different uses of the same word led to long futile disputes (e.g. the term "mutation" at the beginning of the century). Ron Amundson Dept. of Philosophy University of Hawaii at Hilo Hilo, HI 96720-4091 ronald@uhunix.bitnet