Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!csn!ub!dsinc!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!willett!ForthNet From: ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: ANS FORTH TECHNICAL COMMITTEE Message-ID: <2294.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us> Date: 30 Jan 91 12:14:24 GMT Organization: (n.) to be organized. But that's not important right now. Lines: 44 Category 10, Topic 2 Message 293 Mon Jan 28, 1991 L.ZETTEL at 20:27 EST This is a reply to Brad's message 250. There was a time when I espoused what might be called a deductivist approach to decision making and issue resolution. That is, determine the correct general principles, determine the relationship of the specific situation to the general principles, and deduce the proper decision. To persuade someone else, outline the details of the above exercise to them. Now I am older and have engaged in serious committee work and have concluded the above scheme is utterly unworkable. First, it is just about impossible to get agreement on general principles with any more substance than "motherhood and the flag" and even then there are issues of "which flag?" and "what about the population explosion?" Second, it is even harder to get agreement about how principles properly apply in a given situation. So now I like an "inductivist" approach. Look at a bunch of specific situations and see what regularities might be distilled into a general rule of action. However, remember that induction other than mathematical induction is always fallible. You never know whether the the induced rule will apply to the next case or whether that case will force an exception or revision of the rule. Given that fallibility, I refuse to agree irrevocably in advance to apply a general rule to a case I have not yet seen. I am also reluctant to invest time and energy arguing general criteria when I can see no practical end which that will further. Further, in something as complicated as the standard there are always competing goods to be obtained, or criteria to be evaluated. And the weights change from case to case (importance or degree of fulfillment or both). It then becomes perfectly reasonable to adopt some specific point because it fulfills some specific criterion and reject another even though it fulfills the same criterion - the rejectee had other arguments against it. Then there are the various forms of committee paradox we have to tame. It is perfectly possible for a committee of rational and consistent members to vote for A over B, B over C, and C over A (see the works of Kenneth Arrow). If nothing else, this gives fertile fields for parliamentary maneuvering, and we haven't been entirely immune to that. The committee isn't trying to agree on general principles - it is trying to agree on a standard. Fortunately, we have found much we can agree on in spite of our differences of principle. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You cannot Reply to the author using email. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, whatever). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp